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Jeffʼs Spirits Picks
Barrel to Bottle, The Binny's Podcast. This is part two of a two-parter, which is our annual Buyers' Picks. So far, are you guys Porter?
Because I am.
Yeah.
Oh yeah.
Yeah. They're so passionate about these things, and I buy them.
Does it to me every year.
Yeah. We have a whole bunch more buyers coming up right now in Binny's Buyers' Picks 2025, part two.
Hey, we're back, we have spirits buyer Jeff in the room, and he always brings, actually Jeff keeps picking stuff every year, then I buy it, and I buy a bunch of it throughout the year. So what do you got for us, Jeff?
This year, my pick is the Cutwater 200 mil packs.
What?
That's just a RTD can cocktail.
Wait, the margaritas?
Don't say just an RTD cocktail, this is like a bright spot in a otherwise less bright alcohol universe these days.
Just a reminder, Jeff is partially responsible for Canapalooza where we taste hundreds of ready to drinks and less than a dozen, usually make it to our shelves.
So yeah, we taste a lot of bad overpriced, ready to drink cocktails, so you don't have to.
I think this year, one of them was just a carbonated pickle juice or something.
He's nodding. He's nodding yes.
Oh, this is an audio medium. Sorry.
Are you talking about the Margarita Variety Pack?
Yes.
Oh, yeah.
The Cutwater 200ml Margarita Variety Pack.
Yeah, what's nice about this is I don't know if you've ever tried to sit down and have a few Cutwaters. You're going to have a rough day.
I did because I was on vacation and there was only a grocery store near the Airbnb.
These 200ml, they're just more consumable. You can have a couple, you can try different flavors and maintain.
Okay.
Honestly, I'm here for it.
Are they like squat little cans?
Not like the Tip-Tops, they're not squat like that.
They're like, oh, we have bottles.
Yeah, there you go.
I'm looking at an adorable little can. It's like they took a can and just shrunk it a little.
This is kind of a trend that we're seeing, like we see some beers doing this as well, but having like, a lot of things have trended to hire alcohol and maintain package size, but to have something that's in a smaller package.
So like Jeff said, you can have a couple, I think New Belgium Voodoo Ranger did the same thing. It was one of their high octane IPAs. And again, it's like, you can have a couple and not feel like you're going to have a rough morning.
Birmingham County stats in 10s, in 10 ounce bottles this year, it kind of makes sense for them.
It's not like you go to a bar and order 12 ounces of an old fashioned.
Well, maybe you don't.
You're right, I don't go to bars.
I just do it over the course of four drinks.
They had a fireside, like a winter pack, the same kind of thing. They'll be doing different releases in this. The Margarita pack was the one that was the most interesting, I think, this year and we flew through it and it's priced well.
Do you think we're going to get more?
Oh yeah, next summer we'll be coming back.
They'll probably mix in different flavors. That's one thing about Cutwater is they're never for a lack of new innovation.
Definitely.
They're OGs in the category and they continue to lead.
That's the thing. I mean, I started buying this in 17 and they were way ahead of this trend and they've managed to continue to grow where a lot of people like other people were around during then and kind of just didn't innovate along with it.
These guys really continue to grow and innovate.
I saw a video last summer of this influencer duo and they went through and bought every single flavor they could find around LA of all of the Cutwater flavors and then they tried them all. So do we think that we'll be able to do that next year?
Do we think we're going to be able to stock them up?
I think I've got some pull. We could probably do that. That always used to be the joke with them is that, you know, there's too many skews and not enough shelf.
And so they got to kind of limit it. And that's another thing that these like little variety packs can kind of do where like it's considered it to our ability to put it on the shelf because you can't have 18 different Cutwaters.
Yeah, but that's how you end up with...
I'm sure they would appreciate that, but you know...
That's how you end up with nine mango margaritas in your fridge.
All of these things, there's always one flavor that accumulates in the household. And if you're ever in San Diego, Cutwaters, restaurant and bar is really cool. Great cocktails, excellent food.
Definitely check it out.
Cool. What's in the pack?
Oh yeah, this is your product.
Oh, mine, I'm sure. It is the lime margarita, the mango margarita, the pineapple margarita and the strawberry margarita.
Did you have a favorite flavor from the pack?
I'm classic. The lime, I think, is the way to go. I mean, I do like the other flavors and I don't think they're gonna get stuck in your fridge.
They're not gonna last.
Yeah, I know, I know.
Just a joke. We all know that it's the everything else in the Sam Adams variety pack except for old fuzzy wig.
Oh, that's the one everybody wants.
That's what I'm saying. That's the one that you got 11 other bottles in your fridge.
That's like the chocolate box that's around.
That's how old your joke is.
I know.
I think this past summer, I bought the red, white, and blue pack.
Cutwater.
Yeah, Cutwater.
Yeah. Again, came in, went out right away. They had a little bit of a production issue with it.
They've probably fixed that for this year, but look for a lot of these little pops of innovation that are gonna come out throughout the year.
Also a pro tip, speaking from experience, a little chamoy and a little tajine around the rim of all of these margaritas. Amazing.
Sounds great. Whoa.
These are microphones. They pick up things.
No.
All right.
Cool.
Thanks for not picking a whiskey and I'm saving some money this year.
Well, I do have a secondary thing.
Oh, no.
This is going along with this trend that's continued and it's a very consumer-friendly trend.
There's just a lot of bourbon sitting in Kentucky right now, and things that we used to not be able to get or to get very little of are becoming available and prices are coming down.
So, secondary would be the Old Fitz 7, which we started to get nice little drops of throughout the year this year.
We're getting Old Fitzgerald 7 here?
Yeah.
Oh, my.
Yeah, we get sizable drops and I mean, it's in and out pretty quick, but it's not like we can't talk about it or pretend like it doesn't exist.
That was unobtainable for years.
This is a new bottling. I think it's the same thing, isn't it?
Is it a new bottle?
The old Fitzgerald 7-year-old is a new release for this year. It's sort of an answer to the Heavenhill 7-year. It's the weeded mash spill from Heavenhill.
Seven years old, bottled in a bond, so a bottle is 100 proof. It's not as fancy of a decanter, but it's still in really nice packaging as the other, like higher age statement old Fitz's.
They have really cool bottle.
But this is sort of like the entry level, if you want to say that for something that's so good.
I'm going to have to keep an eye out for a bottle.
Yeah, it still comes in and out relatively quickly. But way more than it used to. And I think it's going to continue like this.
I mean, these distilleries are going to need to turn this into revenue, very customer friendly.
A golden age for bourbon drinkers.
Yeah, not for the hoarders or the resellers. If you appreciate good bourbon, it's your time.
So this is something that was hard to find and now is much more readily available? Is that what you're saying?
It's moved like a step ahead on that ladder. I wouldn't say much more readily available. But you'll see it from time to time rather than it just kind of not really existing.
If we can talk about it instead of pretending it doesn't exist, that's pretty great.
Yeah, we should develop a scale.
It doesn't exist to like-
Super-rar-rar-rar.
Just hook me up to a blood pressure monitor and every time I read the distro list, you can decide how many questions I'm going to have to answer based on my blood pressure.
Yeah, this whiskey is really great. It's really stressing Dan out. All right, cool.
Thanks, Jeff. Now I am going to have to buy another bottle this year.
Good.
All right. Thanks to Jeff. Good picks.
We'll be right back after music.
See you guys next year.
See you. Okay. All right, and next up, we've got beer buyer Kyle and Roger.
8:34
Kyleʼs Beer Pick
Hey, everybody.
Kyle, you have a pick of the year 2025 for us.
I did.
I went with Yingling, America's oldest brewery.
People have been asking for us to get this for as long as I've been working at Binny's.
I know. It's nice we can actually say yes now and not no.
Also, it does seem like they came in big into the market, like advertising everywhere and TV.
They did.
Everything.
Yeah. I mean, they definitely came in big. The companies that they're competing with are very large companies too, so they almost have to do that.
Yeah.
That's a good point. Unlike little craft companies that they're going to pick up customers, you're going after like die-hard lifelong brand dedicated people.
Yingling tries the plate of the craft and the macro big brewery type consumer. They do call themselves a craft brewery, but certainly the scale of the brewery would probably make you think otherwise.
Okay. Kind of a Coors situation from the 70s.
Yeah. I was pretty surprised to hear that a huge percentage of their business is this beer they brew called Flight. So Flight is their low-carb version of beer, that's for your Miklob Ultra drinker.
It comes in a skinny can.
Isn't it blue?
It's the blue one, right? Yeah.
When people say Yingling, they're usually thinking their classic lager, which is designed to be a pre-prohibition, how you're used to taste beer. It has a little bit of caramel malt in it, so it's amber in color.
A little bigger than the usual macro lager.
Yeah. I think that's helped it stand out on the shelf and in bars and stuff, is that you can get it at the price of a lot of the pale American lagers, but it's got a little more character because of that caramel malt.
That's specifically, the traditional lager specifically is my pick. I'm not a big fan of Flight. I mean, I also am not a big fan of McLeod Ultra.
I'm a consumer for those two.
There are a lot of people that are.
Yeah. That's fine with me. I like the traditional, like Roger said.
It's an amber lager, a little more fuller bodied, obviously more calories, more carbs, but it's still easy drinking.
Recently, I was at a bar and I watched this lady go through the tap list and tasted all of these German beers, and sours, and porters, and stouts, and all of this stuff. And then she said, can I just actually have a yingling?
And got a yingling out of the can, it was great.
It actually is, it's a German style lager. So I mean, the brewery's roots are go back to Germany. The guy who founded it, his family actually ran a brewery in Germany, and then he was the youngest son.
And you know, back then everything was always handed down to the oldest son. So his oldest son got that brewery, but he wanted his own brewery, so he came here to small town in Pennsylvania and started his own brewery.
American dream.
American success story. All right, cool, awesome. Any honorable mentions or anything?
They do have some other beers too, that are good.
They have a Black and Tan, which is, I'm a fan of that one too. That's a blend of their Porter and a lighter beer. They have a Golden Pilsner, then they have a Light and a Flight.
They're all pretty good. They all have their spot. So there's something forever going on from this brewery.
Good to know.
Yeah, that Golden Pilsner has actually got a little hop character. It's not bitter by any means, but it's got a little bit of citrusiness to the finish.
Would you call it crushable?
Yeah, it's still crushable. I mean, all their stuff. I think beer needs to get back to thinking about food and beer again, and Amber Lager is the best example of that in the beer world.
I feel like you don't need to really think too hard about what it pairs with. The answer is it pairs with everything. That's a big reason why people like the traditional lager from England.
It goes well with anything.
Yeah. The story that Lexi just told, I found myself in the same boat a bunch of times looking at a bar menu or in Binny's. I don't feel like a big stout.
I don't feel like this happy IPA, and then I end up getting something like Yingling, something light but still with a little character.
It's a classic.
Yeah, for sure. All right. Awesome.
Kyle, thank you for your pick. Happy holidays, buddy.
Same to you.
Thanks, man. We're back in just a second after this music break. This smells good.
It smells classy.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Very classy.
We have red wine in the glass, which is the Buyers' Pick from wine buyer Mark.
13:34
Markʼs Red Wine
Hello, everyone.
Hey, Mark, thanks for coming.
What have we got here?
Yeah, so this is the 2021 Cloap Alta from renowned producer in Chile.
One of the categories I cover is South America, which often does not get much love, but this was one of the wines this year that I had tasted from the area that I thought was just outstanding and worthy of my Buyers' Pick.
Good call. Is this a Bordeaux blend?
Carmineir and Cabernet.
That's it?
There's a little Merlot in it probably, but the really interesting thing is it's 75% Carmineir, which is Chile's kind of signature grape, an old Bordeaux varietal that has not grown much in Bordeaux anymore.
The Malbec of Chile.
Yeah, that's exactly what it is. And this vineyard is really interesting because it has really, really old vines, like 80 plus year old vines. Going way back.
Holy tannin.
In a good way.
Yeah. No, I mean, I think it's, Carmineir a lot of times can be like a little funky and barnyard. This is just elegant, clean.
Yeah, just really good. The first time I tried this was I went to the New York Wine Experience with one of our other buyers. And this was one of the tables that I had stopped at, obviously, as the South American buyer wanted to try it.
And it really over-delivered. I was so surprised. I grabbed a couple of the people I was with, and I'm like, you got to come try this.
And that was-
Okay, that tasting is where every winery gets to bring one wine, it's their best wine. So this is like the best wines in the world all in one room.
Right.
And this one, you're like, you guys got to try this.
Right. We were going to all the big California table, Bordeaux, Spain, Italy. And I'm like, this stood out to me.
And I came back from that trip, and I bought what was available in the state.
Yeah. And it ended up being number six on Wine Spectator's Top 100.
This is number six.
Yeah. Wow. Yeah.
As Mark was saying, this grape is a little weird. And this is all a matter of how ripe they let these grapes get, because Carmonaire is famous for having high levels of pyrazine. So that kind of green leafy herbal thing.
But you don't get a ton of that here. That's true. Because the grapes are very ripe.
Yeah. It can be funky, can be a little hard. They used to think in Chile that this was Merlot.
So for years, everybody's like, man, Chile makes the weirdest most herbal Merlot in the world. But then somebody strolled along and said, hey, you're not going to Merlot. What are you doing?
That doesn't match the tattoo I have on my arm.
Am I remembering correctly? First of all, this is a newish label for this. It feels like they got this monotone foil punch thing.
Isn't this tied in with a Bordeaux house or is it a French producer?
Well, Michel Roland is the consulting wine maker. This is Casa Lapostolle.
Casa Lapostolle. That's what I was trying to think of. Casa Lapostolle's Clorapalto.
But that's really small on the label there.
Yeah. Well, they want to brand it as this. But Michel Roland, famous consulting wine maker from Bordeaux, who is well known for making these super lush, ripe styles, employs micro-oxygenation in the tanks and stuff like that.
Here's the great review of this wine.
Big, packed-in, super ripe, primal, young fruit. And there's a citric-acidic edge on the top. And like Lexi was saying, a tannin, a tannic frame that makes it like punchy and world-class.
And I think it's a little bit sanguine, like it's a little bit coppery and like bloody and meaty on the back end, too, which makes it a steakhouse wine. And I never, ever, ever say this because I don't have any patience.
But I think this is going to get better in like four years. But also it's 2021, so it's not a baby.
No, it's not, but it can definitely age. But the tannin management here is so good. I mean, it's already really easy drinking, I think.
Yeah.
Oh yeah. There's also chocolate milk.
Yeah.
Right over the top of it.
Chocolate milk.
Like the creaminess and there's like a cocoa flavor. It's barrels.
These are barrels.
Yeah. This goes into a fair amount of new French oak. I think probably, I don't know.
It could be 100%, honestly.
Lexi disagrees with chocolate milk.
I don't get chocolate milk, no, but I like this. I think the young part makes sense. I agree with that.
It's still kind of vibrant, but it's still tannic and it's what I like to say an adult wine. It's not like just juice. It's definitely still kind of dry and would pair nicely, but it's still got some fun characteristics.
It's like a combination of refinement and zippy fruit.
Yeah.
Yeah, the balance to me is what really makes this ripe, great fruit, but really well-balanced, great body, precise, it's great.
Mark, do I have enough cash in my pocket to buy this bottle?
I don't know.
It is currently $123.99, $124. I think the SRP on this is like $150 to $170.
That's still a value for world-class Cabernet style, like big red.
Yeah.
Absolutely.
Thanks for coming on the podcast.
Thank you.
Good pick.
Thank you.
We are back with Wine By Your Barb.
19:19
Barbʼs Sauternes Pick
Hello, I'm Wine By Your Barb.
There she is.
We have a fan who's been anxiously awaiting your presence on the podcast this year.
They have a bingo, a Barrel to Bottle bingo, and you are one of the squares.
And all you do is have to make an appearance.
Yeah.
I'm excited to see what you brought today.
Well, the wine I brought is Chateau Duasie Dame 2022. It's from the Barsac area of Sauternes, which is in Bordeaux, about 25 miles south of the city.
We sell a pretty good amount of Sauternes, but Sauternes is the world's most underappreciated wine, and it is possibly the world's greatest value in wine.
Wow.
And I felt these wines really needed to be presented again, so people could learn a little bit more about them and find a reason to go and buy them.
Barb is championing the sweet wines of Bordeaux.
I mean, I completely agree with that, and I love these kind of categories personally, because you can buy this bottle of wine for somewhere in the mid-20s right now, and it is world-class. It's truly great.
The only thing that commands a high price in this area is Chateau de Quem, really, and everything else like this, fantastic quality.
It's kind of interesting, but Sauternes drinking really kind of went out of fashion, maybe starting in the 1980s when he used to work in stores. People would go in, oh, and I like sweet wine or whatever.
But it's very ironic because, believe me, we all know that Americans and people all over the world drink an incredible amount of sweet things.
That's true.
And actually on the sweet scale, I wouldn't consider Sauternes to be up there with things that are intentionally really, really sweet, really candied. And like Chris said, this wine is like $25 on sale during the holidays.
I bet the price is cheaper than what it would have been in the early 1980s.
Really?
Yeah. To give a little perspective, I mean, the production of things is incredibly difficult.
I mean, it takes a lot of unique weather circumstances and then it takes an incredible amount of work that you just don't even see anywhere else in Bordeaux or almost anywhere else in the world.
Dry white wine in Bordeaux nowadays is often harvested in August, the end of August, because of a little bit of climate change. And they're trying to pick up stuff that's going to be kind of crisp and dry.
In a vintage that will become a sautern vintage, the wines usually don't end up getting harvested until October.
So they first of all have to reach maturity, and the area they're in, it kind of stays a little bit cooler actually than a lot of where all the reds are produced. It's like I said, it's quite a bit of waste in there.
So it takes longer for a lot of these, the Sauvignon, and this is made primarily from Sauvignon, and a little bit of Sauvignon Blanc. So it takes a little bit longer for them to mature.
Then it's in an area also that's surrounded by two rivers, which gives it a little bit of moisture, like mist in the morning, and in the perfect vintages, you have these ripe grapes end of September, and now you've got this mist effect and it allows
this type of mold to develop. On the grapes, and what the mold does is it makes the skin very permeable, kind of actually very softens up the skin, opens it up, and so the liquid inside the grape evaporates and it condenses like the acidity and the
Huh.
We were talking about this recently, our 50 under 50 list has Sudaro?
Correct, yes.
And that wine is a 2015 vintage wine, which you could, so you're talking about buying a 10-year-old bottle of wine, you know?
Yeah.
That's crazy.
These can live for a long, long time.
That's the other thing is, this is one of the weirdest wines in that you can open it, the day it comes into the store and it's going to be fruity and delicious, and you can save it for 30 years and it's going to be something wholly different.
A little bit more about the production process is that it ends up, first of all, because of the fragile nature of all the grapes, when they're finally going to be harvested, everything is done by hand and a lot of it eventually becomes like
selection, a berry selection. I just read something that said as a comparison, rule of thumb in the Maydock, which is where some of the red wines are grown is that, a vine will produce a bottle, here a vine will produce a glass.
Oh, yeah.
Wow.
Yeah, because they're so desiccated.
Another really salient point about the balance of these wines is that, not only is sugar being concentrated when you lose this water, but the acidity is too, and a great sotern is going to have freshness and acidity to it.
It's never going to taste cloying. It will be quite sweet when young, but the balance should be impeccable.
Something else a lot of people don't think about is, once they're open, they have incredible longevity. You could just cork this up, put it in your refrigerator, and I swear to God, you can drink it in six months. It's not going to deteriorate.
So we don't have to hurry up and drink the whole bottle before it goes bad?
Well, I don't know how anybody...
It's only a half bottle.
How do you resist?
You know?
Yeah, keep it at 375 in your drink.
Unless you've got those little tiny cordial glasses like your grandma had, you know, that hold about an ounce. I mean, you're going to drink a couple ounces of this.
Yeah, this is absolutely true. I've had a Sautern open in my refrigerator that I even forgot about. And I'm like, oh, hey, look at this.
And it still looks the same color as it did when I put it in there. And it tastes just as good.
So like behind the bottle of capers?
The extra pickles.
OK, we have it in glass now. I love this stuff. Where's the almonds and the gorgonzola?
Sounds a little crazy, but you could drink this with like roast chicken.
Sure. I mean, even some types of like whites, like white fish, I think would be interesting with it.
Sweet, sweet shellfish is really good too. Crab, lobster.
Oh, lobster.
Yeah, fantastic. If you dig like sweeter Chinese dishes or even spicy Thai dishes, this will work really well too.
Speaking my language there.
Yeah.
Lemon, lime, peach. There's a little bit of like a limestone quality, a little bit of a flinty stony.
Which is interesting because this is like I said, from the area called Barsac, which is part of Sauternes. And there is big limestone plate that is right under Barsac.
Generally wines produced in Barsac do tend to have a little more of that, like mineral, more elegant, a little racier style.
So if you're getting a wine like like Reisseck from, or Sudero from labeled Sauternes, from the Sauternes Chateaus, they're a little bit like broader, a little bit richer.
I would point out to listeners that the four descriptors you just said, two were acid driven and one was mineral. Peach was the only thing you said that's real fruity or what you would think of as a sweeter flavor.
Yeah, that's true.
So that just underlines the point that there's balance here, there's freshness here, there's lift.
It is a sweet wine, but it's not overbearingly sweet. It's not cold.
No, not at all.
Despite the fact they're probably like 150 grams per liter of residual sugar in this thing.
I have no idea how much sugar that is.
A lot.
But yeah, like lemon curd is more like what I would get with something like this. After about 10 years, some years, you're going to get more of a honeyed, more toffee character, so it'll lose some of that fresher lemon quality.
Yeah, and it will change in color, too. If you ever see a row of vintage Sauternes lined up, going backward, they go from this bright gold color to old gold to even brownish, and they're still drinkable.
I want to have this on an afternoon on the weekend with some shortbread, middle of the afternoon.
Yes.
That's like a perfect afternoon.
Yeah. Speaking of which, yeah, certainly you can pair this with desserts. Shortbread sounds delicious.
But also, you mentioned gorgonzola. Pungent cheeses are classic, broke forward in particular, but gorgonzola works.
For once, we're doing this after lunch. I'm not getting hungry. It's a relief.
Okay. This is a 375-milliliter bottle. And again, how much is it?
$26.99.
Get out of here.
$26.99.
I mean, it's a steal.
It is a steal, you know? Yeah, please, everybody go out and buy a bottle of Sunturn because the Chateau owners would really appreciate it. You know, to kind of make ends meet now, a lot of them are making dry white wine.
And a lot of them are very, very good. And we carry a couple of them. Or they're they're selling it to other Chateaus like in Bordeaux to make dry white wine.
Oh, yeah, we need to keep this style alive.
Absolutely.
I mean, the dry whites are really interesting. And you have the Y from Chateau de Caim and G from Girode, right? And there are a whole bunch of them on the shelf.
Plus, there are other dry whites that we carry that you wouldn't necessarily associate with. Like Chateau de Cas is grown kind of in this area.
Germain de Chevalier is like Clos La Lune. A lot of that comes from the Saint-Terrain area.
That's a fantastic wine if you haven't had that. Cool. Yeah.
One more thing. This producer does have a super expensive wine, right Barb?
Correct, the Extravagans. Which comes out in maybe just a few times in a decade.
Yeah. They make like a handful of barrels of it and it's like got double the sugar.
They call it Extravagans?
It's pretty good.
Our wine is especially ridiculous.
Here it is.
Actually about 20 years ago, I was visiting not the Chateau, but another property that was, this is owned by, it's been in the family, the DuBordeaux family since the middle 1920s.
The great-grandsons of that owner are now running it, and their father was Denny DuBordeaux, and he was a professor of wine analogy, professor in Bordeaux, very, very, very famous.
Specialized, not surprisingly, in both tri-bite wines in Sauteurne, but he gave me a bottle.
Oh, nice.
Cool.
I think I've learned more on this podcast today about Sauteurne than I have in two years that I've been here. Very cool. Very exciting.
Great choice, Barb.
Thank you. Thanks. Thank you for listening to our Buyers' Picks for 2025, and thank you for another awesome year of Barrel to Bottle The Binny's Podcast, couldn't do it without listeners.
Shout out to the listeners that we've met this year, because I've met quite a few around the stores and what not, different events.
They come up to people.
To all the listeners I've loved before.
So back in your feed next year with something great, once again, Binny's Buyers' Picks 2025.
Until next year, I'm Greg.
I'm Chris.
And I'm Lexi.
And all the others. And keep tasting.