Is this IPAII, the episode IPA2? I think it's like three. IPA3, IPAII. I think, right? Have we done like three IPAs? I can't use that terminology, because that's shorthand for double IPA and triple IPA. Well, wouldn't that be I-I-IPA? We don't want to confuse our listeners. I-I-I-IPA? Yeah, that would be triple. This is at least our third. Our listeners are difficult to confuse. They are an intelligent and good-looking bunch. There's IPAs for Pat and Greg. That was last September. I think you could just say even more IPAs. I mean, we've done it more. Three IPA episodes. Yeah. None of those IPAs are still available on shelves now. Yeah, the turnover is incredible. I mean, that's why I came up with that old. Remember, for basically an entire year, I just did that whole section called Thirsty for IPA, What Kind? Yes. They never stop. It's just a constant barrage. I think what I tried to do with this is to put together a similar thing, like a good representation of the varied types of IPA. All right. That's awesome. So they're not just all hazies, not just all double, etc. I joyously love IPA, and Jenna thinks that they all taste the same. So we're both going to learn something today. Hey, you're listening to Barrel to Bottle, The Binny's Podcast. I'm Greg, I do communications at Binny's. I'm Jenna, I also communicate for Binny's. Jim, a third communicator in the room. I guess communications department represent. Yeah, represent. I'm Chris, I do wine. You straddle the line between wine and communications. Communicate with wine. Jim, aren't you gonna participate in this one? Introduce yourself. He did, did you hear him? He did. Did you not hear my introduction? Did you not hear Jim introduce himself? We're off to a good start. This is great. Yes. Okay. We'll fix it in post as we always do. You will. I like the plural. We, the royal, we. Thanks for including us. I love Three Floyds and I love IPA, but this packaging is kind of pissing me off. This is bulls**t. What is this? This is stupid. I'm so tired of this retro bulls**t. F**king comic book. Not to mention the fact that inflation is certainly out of control, but $50 million, come on. When I was a kid, it was $6 million, damn it, and that was plenty of money to fund Bionics. I'm glad you had that reaction, Greg, because that's part of the reason I picked that beer. He's like, this is going to piss Greg off. It's a low bar. Floyd's needs to be brought to bear a little bit for their marketing strategy, so we'll talk about that a little bit when we get to that one. Okay. They're part of the reason why I **** on IPA. Them and who are the guys, every week we get the same freaking thing, it's a double Citra IPA. You just described every brewery. Yes, exactly. Yeah, sadly, that does not narrow it down. Yeah. All right, time out. Roger, say I'm Roger for Christ's sake. I'm Roger and I've brought in some IPAs, which as you can see are a very polarizing topic, especially here at Binny's. I think part of the reason is that as we joked earlier, they never stop releasing IPAs. Every single week, we taste through a whole new set of IPAs, and oftentimes, they tend to taste somewhat similar. Ultimately, we're looking at choosing different types of hops to feature in IPAs, and there tend to be hops that breweries latch on to as, okay, what's the new exciting hop and what do people like the most? Citra, for years, it still continues to be one of the most talked about and beloved hops. I was going to say, I feel like I see citra and mosaic all the time. Indeed. And I knew that that had become so ubiquitous when someone sent me a meme around Christmas where it was all the Hallmark movies and they removed all the titles and added either citra and mosaic, mosaic and citra, mosaic, citra and sabro. Super narrow casting meme there. I don't know, I couldn't tell you one Hallmark movie let alone many of them. Well, there was one going around of all the Hallmark movie posters, just the couple. Every single one looked almost identical with the same looking kind of people and the same title. Because they're all the same. Every Hallmark movie is the same. It's a cookie cutter plot. Because basically the movies are the same and they're all very formulaic. All right, let's open the first beer. Okay. Which beer is the first beer? The first beer we're going to try is from Laganitas. Actually, a call back to our last IPA podcast. This is the latest release in Laganitas' Stereo Hoppix series. Besides wanting to just sort of continue on with this because I've been very impressed with the series thus far, I think one of the biggest things to drive home here whenever we talk about IPA is that IPA is not just a single thing anymore. Not even within strength wise. Like there's session IPAs, regular, double, triple. That typically refers to the alcohol content. But even as far as just how an IPA is made, there's so many different approaches that a brewer can take. And obviously hazy IPAs have really taken over. But even within the realm of hazy IPAs, how a hazy IPA is crafted can vary tremendously. A lot of the times it has to do with the yeast strain chosen, but then it also is proportions of wheat, oats used. So again, the concept of if you come into the store and you say that you enjoy IPAs, hopefully one of our store associates' follow-up question is great, what kind of IPA? Because they're so all across the board. And there's a bit of fatigue right now with hazy IPAs, I feel. I definitely was with some of our staff members. And what Laganitas has done with this Stereo Hoppix series is made IPAs that have a restrained level of bitterness, which is what hazies are typically famous for. But they're also extremely aromatic, and they feature exciting new hops that have crazy fruit character to them. But as you look at this in the glass right now, it's crystal clear. This looks like an old school West Coast IPA. Or a little bit like a slightly more yellow American Macro Logger. It's pristine. Yeah, I was going to say it's a little light even for IPA, and is absolutely crystal clear. Yeah. But it has that juicy nose. Juicy, juicy. What do you guys think of the aroma here? I mean, the idea behind this series is that they're always going to partner up two hops, and they're going to change it out for each release. So this release is with Lotus and Sabro hops. So before I describe those, I just want to get your initial reactions and see what you think they smell like, and even taste the beer and see what you think of the taste as well. A lot of lemon and a little bit of peach. Yeah, getting a Venice like white wine quality. I'm getting orange and a certain creaminess on the palate. Although if we're just talking about the nose, definitely orange and tropical fruits and some herbs, floral. How about you, Jenna? Smells like IPA. Come on. No, no, it does smell. The first thing I wrote down was citrus. So I definitely, that stands out to me the most. It's not like you were saying, you definitely notice that it's less better than most IPAs I've had. I enjoy it. Chris, I think you're spot on with the creaminess on the palate too. It is definitely creaminess on the palate. Yeah, it really has that. So what's pretty interesting, some of that perceived creaminess, I think is actually from one of these hops. Lotus hops are really interesting hop. Really? They're relatively new. Yeah, they're a variety from Hopsteiner, which is a famous hop breeding company, and they're really pretty new. They were released in 2019, formerly known by their experimental name X06297. Nice. The kids are clamoring for that. Their parentage is pretty interesting. Most of their genetic makeup comes from Eastern Gold, which is actually a Japanese hop variety, dating all the way back to the 1930s. Then capping that off is a mixture of Apollo and Cascade, and then a USDA unknown male variety. All that weird parentage in the end produces a hop that's especially known for its orange, but also its vanilla character. Yeah, totally. A lot of people describe it as like a creamsicle type of flavor to it. Would that impact the palate too? I got that for sure because I totally agree, but I can't imagine hops actually impacting or perceived palate breadth. I think the vanilla kind of can because we associate, especially maybe the combo of orange and vanilla could in your mind kind of portray that, but. Yeah. Could be, but I definitely think that there is a mouth feel here that maybe is unrelated to the hops that is like- Yeah, for sure. I agree, yeah. I'm not going to say slippery, but creamy and soft. Yeah. I wish this one was a little more bitter. Yeah, I was going to say the hop bitterness is really in check. It's a little guy, it seems like. So that's Laganitas tricking you because this is actually 7.2% alcohol and 65 IBUs, which is actually quite high for IBUs. Thank you, Laganitas. Thank you for tricking me. Yeah, really. There's a strong distinction between measuring IBUs and the way bitterness is perceived in the balance of the beer. So here, I think 75 IBUs, that's super high. But the other elements of the beer, the fruity elements of the hops, the malt, which is definitely second fiddle here, but somehow it all comes off as very soft and easily crushable. The other hop in here, it's worth mentioning, is one that I've talked a lot about in the beer buzz. Saburo is another, again, very new, released in 2018. It is pretty cool in that it is cross-pollination with a female neomexicanus hop. So the majority of hops that we are using in brewing in the US are some sort of parentage that traces back to Europe in some way, shape, form or another. Whereas, a neomexicanus hop is a variety that's actually native to the US., found growing wild in the mountains of New Mexico. You're listening to hop talk. Kind of cool that that's very different. This Saburo is famous for throwing a lot of tangerine coconut, which is kind of interesting. And I think again here, this kind of the tropical character here that reminds us of like a creamsicle. I could see a little bit of coconut here as well. Mint, cedar. Again, this is kind of interesting. A descriptor on the hop breeding company's website for this is cream as one of the flavor components to it. So they're creating some pretty weird flavors with hops nowadays. That's crazy. I'll say. I think the major takeaway here is that Lagunitas has succeeded here in making basically like a clean hazy IPA that's not hazy. Everyone keeps describing things that you would normally describe in a hazy, like how creamy it is, how soft it is, restrained bitterness, super aromatic, super fruity. But this is a nice crystal clear beer in a six pack, crazy good value at $10.99. We've got it on sale for $9.99 right now, so go check out Lagunitas Stereo Hoppik Volume 4. In the future, keep looking at that series. Cool. For our next beer, one of the most famous breweries, when you're talking about Hoppy Beer, we're going to be tasting the latest from Three Floyd's over in Moonstar, Indiana. This is the $50 million Man. Okay. Which has a pretty hilarious artwork on the can here. I'm getting retro 80s coolness fatigue, and it's kind of annoying. I have a mustache. I'm a punchy guy. Look at my mullet. So I am a long-term fan of Three Floyd's. I've written about them in the beer buzz dozens of times. But I will say that their whole, we won't talk about what our beers are, is getting exhaustingly old. The description on this, as far as like, okay, so what is this beer? Well, it's a highly secretive double IPA, brewed for the Black Phoenix and astronaut Michael San Antonio, to battle evil for the good of all mankind. Steve Austin. Thanks, Three Floyd's. I'm annoyed because obviously a lot of time went into this label, and it's still schmaltzy and silly, but you're mad because they're not telling you what it tastes like. What hops? What hops? Yeah. Here's what it says on the side of this can, nine percent. It smells great. It smells so good. So really what you're left here is that it's a nine percent double IPA from Three Floyd's. So yeah, I mean, I just keep saying this to breweries that people shop hops. To Jenna's point, if IPAs are just the same thing over and over again, one way to maybe tell people what they're getting into instead of just a funny looking cartoon can is what did you make the beer with? And Three Floyd's, because they're mad that people stole Amarillo Hops back in the 90s from them, will never talk about what ingredients they use in their beer. Well, Roger, I think you're overthinking this because the guy on the side of the box says, Who cares? Drink it and punch a van. Exactly. Well, judging by sales, it hasn't been flying off the shelf. So I totally agree. Three Floyd's is taking that attitude, but I think people do care. So anyway, enough with the ranting. Color here is not the most pretty beer. It's a little murky, got kind of a dark golden tangerine hue. It looks like a butterscotch candy. It smells a little bit like butterscotch. Yeah, it does kind of. And orange. This smells like a creamsicle. And on top of being the color Roger described, it is quite hazy. Yeah. I mean murky. Yeah. But is this supposed to be a hazy or what are they shooting at here? I already read you all the information that is all that it says on their website, too. I think it's a little more long winded with mumbo jumbo BS. But yeah, it's a double India pale ale. And that's all you need to know. The question on its murkiness is does it look good on Instagram? Yeah. What do you guys think flavor wise? I mean, I think this probably if I had to guess, there's definitely some old school American hop kind of profile to this. There's some pine, there's citrus. Kind of reminds me a little bit of like Simcoe maybe is in here. I think some Seahops, definitely American Seahops. Cascade. Yeah, like that resinous. Centennial. Early 2000s IPA. Yeah, centennial, early 2000s IPA craziness. It has a little of the hempy sap. Yeah. But it doesn't have the bitterness of that era. Yeah. I think that it's a combo of old school and new wave hops. Yeah, probably. In the nose, for sure. I know I mentioned this last time, but there's a subtle hint of cooked cabbage or chives in the nose. But it's also- Turpenes. Very floral. I'll back up the cooked cabbage because I was trying, there was almost a sour note that I couldn't pinpoint when I was smelling it. That could definitely be the cabbage that you're describing. Yeah. Or cheese. I mean, it's subtle. It's wrapped up in a floral note. It's not offensive. On the palate, just like the last one, it feels like it doesn't have a big hop wallop. But I am imagining that there are a lot of bittering hops in here and the IBUs are probably higher than the last one. What's the case here? Do we know? $50 million, man. It's 82. Oh, it says that? They did say it on their website. It's not in the can, but yeah, it's 82. Greg, you love double IPAs and are not afraid of strong ones. Right. I think this wears its ABV on its sleeve. I'm usually talking with beers about like, oh, can you believe this is 8 percent alcohol? This you know is 9 percent in my opinion. I agree. I wish it was more bitter though. I miss bitterness. These guys used to make so damn bitter beers. Chris, I said the word terpenes. Is that the appropriate word to describe some of the vegetal qualities on this one? Yeah. There are definitely terpenes involved here. I would say we're noticing our new friend, thiols here a little bit too. I could see maybe a new Southern Hemisphere hop, which are famously high thiol like a Nelson being in this. And the next beer we're going to try has Nelson in it. Ooh. Let's pop the next one here. So Jenna knows the story with Nelson Savin hops, right? No. Well, Roger, you found the one person who hasn't heard your Nelson Savin rant. You want to do it? Yes, let's get into it. And which beer are we cracking? Western Mutant from Oscar Blues, which is the first release in a new hop series that they're doing, kind of like Laganitist has a rotator. Oscar Blues has a rotator called the Hop Forward Series. They're kind of going for weirdness here. They want to really change things up. So the idea behind this beer is that A, it's a West Coast style India Pale Oil. So again, we're going away from the whole haze bomb and more of a clean, clearer school IPA. But that having been said, they're using a really interesting combination of hops in this. There's Nelson Sauvignon hops, which are a hop from New Zealand, which takes its name from Sauvignon Blanc wine grapes. The aromas that these hops throw are very synergistic with the type of aromas and flavors that you get from that wine varietal. It's so interesting you said that because I was just like, this smells like green bell pepper, which I get from Sauvignon Blanc all the time. So Jenna, being a wine person, the thing that binds these together are in fact the thiols. There are high levels of thiols produced in New Zealand Sauvignon Blanc that give you all those tropical notes, and this hop provides the same thing. So that's why you're going to see the same aromas and flavors. Interesting. It also smells a little bit like pee. We prefer to say the word gooseberry for that, Greg. Uh-huh. I know. Peaberry. Cape Peaberry. Cape Peaberry. Does anybody remember the wine that was called Cat Pea on a Gooseberry Bush? Yeah. That was actually a wine. That was classic. So absurd. Pretty much what they were selling there. That's what they delivered. Bells or somebody had a cat peeing on a Christmas tree was one of their, like, descriptors. It wasn't like the name of it, but. Roger, compared to the last one, this one is a huge shift toward bright and citric compared to the almost resinous $50 million man. When we were tasting that one, I was going to complain that it wasn't malty enough, and the 9% wasn't supported by some malt too. But this one makes that one seem heavy because it's so bright and lifted. It's also got like a straw color. Yeah. Like a straw, almost like a Zwickle Lager. Zwickle? A Zwickle Lager. Oh, yeah. It's very like a lemon custard pie filling. Yeah. A little bit of meringue on there. Yeah, I like that. Yeah, lemon meringue. I thought it might have like comet in it because it has that comet. Comet hops. I could see you maybe equating a little of that. The combination of hops is Nelson, we got into the other three are Akoia, which is a really new hop from Germany. Sapphire, also from Germany, and Simcoe. So Simcoe, famous American hop, very citrus forward, tangerine. The other two, I think are what really make this beer unique. I think Simcoe is there in the background, but Sapphire is a hop from 2002. It was bred at the hop research center in Huhl, Germany. Huhl? It's a noble-like variety, and it's famously has some spice but floral elements. And I think what's partially really highlighted here is that this beer has a very floral nose, but also some floral flavor as well. And then the Akoya hops are a brand new variety from Hopsteiner, and they are famously spicy, tea, green fruit, peppercorn, again, very different type of hops, not the typical tropical fruit bombs that we usually get from some of the newer hop Yeah. Also, a couple weeks ago on our flagship February episode, Jenna quoted somebody who's talking about ugly can. Yes. But this is the same brewery and for once it doesn't have like a merit badge on it. It's actually kind of kind of cool. Yeah. It's RA packaging. Yeah. Well, I want to give a shout out to Oscar Blues. I think that this was really a big step forward. Whoever conceived this project, along with the redesigning of their, they did a new version of Double Dales. They've done Double Dales in the past where it was more of just an amped up version of Dale's Pale Ale. I think that this is the better of the two. This unfortunately is a limited release, so grab it now before it's gone. Double Dales is around all the time, so I figured maybe we talk about it in the future. But both of these are just impeccably made IPAs and very interesting IPAs, something that again, I think to your point Jenna, there's plenty of people that have fatigue with some of the nano local people. They're just brewing the same beer all the time and just changing the hop variety. And if it's one new hop variety that has tropical flavors versus another new hop variety that has tropical flavors, then you get into the mad lib carrot category where it's like, this tastes like fill in tropical fruit, soft and creamy across the palate, fill in second tropical fruit. This I feel like in a very interesting way gives you some other options for descriptors of, oh, like I get some white peppercorn in this, I get some mint, I get things that lilac, things that you're not normally Yeah, this is by far the most interesting IPA I've had recently. I think you've hit on a money-making scheme, beer mad libs, and after you fill them out, you have to guess the hops or something. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Secondly, I will point out, and I think it's worth noting, that in direct opposition to the dearth of information out of three Floyds, the hops and their origin are all listed on the side of the can here. I know. I love it. Even country of origin. Yeah, pretty cool. I think they got their inspiration because they were full of monster energy beverage. Woo, got them. Let's go ride bikes. That's New Belgium. Oh yeah. Coming up next, Goose Island. The latest Goose Island play is their Beer Hug series. Okay, there's a couple of things wrong with the packaging here. Tall Boy! We're doing the 80s retro cool big wayfarer look again. But also, this is Chicago beer. You can't just steal the word hug and put it on your can. Yeah, with a bear. With a bear, while it was... Yeah, and it's a 9.9% tall boy. Did you get this from a baseball park? Is that where this came from? Yeah, I actually walked to Wrigley to go get that. Walked on, broke in. All right, we're done riffing. You can go ahead and be serious again. Beer! No, no, no, this is perfect. This is part of the reason I picked this beer, was to get these honest reactions. So that's hilarious. I totally forgot that stovepipes are a big play for this. The 19.2 can. Which is crazy. 19.2 ounces of 9.9% alcohol IPA. Damn, put that in a paper bag and head out to the alley. This is a train beer for Greg. He doesn't even take the train. You guys, you guys. You haven't even tasted it yet. Wait until you taste this. And remember, this is almost 10% alcohol. Oh, it's good. It's really good. I mean, it tastes really juicy. Yeah, I can get on board with that. That's, yeah, I like that. The alcohol is dangerously well-hidden. Yeah, it's not even bitter. It just slides down the throat at that alcohol level. Dense, creamy head too. It's crystal clear also. It tastes very juicy, but it's not hazy on the eye. Exactly. Again, I think this is another, I salute the brewers for showing people that they can get the kind of things that they love in a hazy IPA without it being sludgy and thick and weighty to the point where if someone handed you a pint of this, you would But I'm wondering where the other three cans are. What's going on right now? Four pack. Do they come in ones or how much? No, this is a single one. How much is a single can of this? A six pack, believe it or not, is only 10.99. Not of 19.2. No, of 12 ounce. No, those are 12 ounce cans. Yeah, they're 12 ounce. I think the 19.2s are like 2.99. They're not expensive. Oh, man. I mean, just think about that. This is a 12 ounce six pack for $10.99 and it's a 9.9% double IPA. It's double dry hopped. Listen to the hopped bill. Nugget, sultana, citra, mosaic. We got the Hollywood movies covered there. Eureka, Azaka, and strata. Is that all? I mean, there are some heavy hitter, like expensive new hops in there, some mainstays. The value here is off the charts. Is this going to be around? Is this going to be gone next week? Is this going to be around? Year round. Oh, no. We have these and the six packs at Lincoln Wood. Yeah, but they also have Neon Beer Hug at 7%, the Session version. But that's $2.99. I assume this is also $2.99. Oh, my. It's pretty good. There's going to be a beer hug variety pack that has some rotating options, as well as this Tropical Beer Hug and Neon Beer Hug. They're getting a little close with the Bear Hug and the Beer Hug. Big hugs. Yeah. A little close. A little close. Yeah. I get that. I think, to be honest, the people that they're going after with this is New Belgium, who talk about a turnaround. They went from being Fat Tire Boring Amber Dad Beer, which I love, but Dad Beer Boring, to their Voodoo series has just exploded in popularity, with a very young, hopefully of age, gamer crowd. That was an offshoot of Ranger, right? We're like brands on brands right now. Yeah. So, yeah, Ranger was initially like this kind of cheesy, like, you know, Park Ranger type thing. And then they were like, what are kids like? Skeletons? Okay, boom, put a skeleton in there. And, you know, dreaming guitar solo. People love it. Yeah, when do we get back to Poochie again? This is literally status quo as Poochie. Yeah. I, for one, miss the 90s. But yeah, I mean, this is checking a lot of cliché boxes. I don't disagree with you. Like there should be a beer hug fanny pack in fluorescent colors. But as far as the liquid goes, like, I don't know, hats off to Goose Island. Like they put something almost irresponsibly easy to drink for a crazy price. Yeah, it's pretty damn good. Yeah. I was going to say that I can only speak for myself, but I imagine that most of you will agree that if this is the direction that double IPAs are going, away from overly juicy, hazy style to this, I'm all for it. Hear, hear. I hope this is the future. Yep. I like juicy, but hazy is getting old. Yeah, right, right. You know, snap bracelets are back. Pogs are back in Pog form. So speaking of Pog. Roger's always good for a Pog reference. Our next beer is one of exactly what we were just talking about. The big, thick people who always talk about mouth feel. One of the beloved gummy IPAs. Just call out wine people like that, jeez. Yeah, it's not mouth feel like wine drinkers. It's the thick boys who love the really heavy, thick IPAs, brewed with malto dextrin to bulk up the body thick. Speaking as a thick boy, I take exception to that. It's your time to shine though, Chris. So as much bad mouthing as you guys do about this style of beer, this is your fault. This can on our table right now is your fault. Here at Binny's, we like to give the customer what they want, so there's that. This is our third rendition now of Your Gummy, where the idea is that we want to let the customers tell us what they want to see featured in a gummy beer. Some of the gummies started to have fruit additions to them as well. So the first Your Gummy was just, here's a list of hops. You tell us what hops you want. In the second one, we added a fruit option. So let's do the hops you want and let's put an extra layer of fruit with actual fruit in there. So for the third one, we did the same thing and one of the options was passion fruit and Jim and I were ecstatic that passion fruit was selected this time. How many times did you guys have to vote to get passion fruit on that? Passion fruit, we put our hand on the scale. Passion fruit is extremely sour. So whenever you're drinking passion fruit, it usually has tons of sugar added to it. When they added passion fruit to this, they used legit passion fruit puree, not sweetened. You can smell it. It's very prominent on the nose. We tricked everyone into making a more balanced gummy with this beer. By adding passion fruit. Normally, the gummies have some sweetness to them for sure, because that's what people like about them. They're real thick, they're pretty sweet. But because of that real passion fruit puree in this, this is the most balanced gummy, in my opinion, that they've ever made. You're welcome. Over at Noon Whistle. I have to agree. It comes across as a tartness and a bright focus that these never have. Remember when sour IPAs were a thing for a minute? That's like if sour IPAs hadn't gone horribly wrong. In my notes, I put milkshake and sour IPAs with two hearts next to them, because those are the two that I actually really enjoy. I mean, this is for you. Just like call me out. Just call me out. Jenna, how many times did you vote for passion fruit? Yeah, this is really, I love this. The label is cool. I love passion fruit. I'm a big passion fruit fan. What is that? How does that happen? I just like it. It tastes great. I don't think I've ever had a passion fruit. I mean, it tastes amazing because it's like, as Roger said, it's very sour and tart, and it just really tastes like tropics. So my produce store regularly has jackfruit. They have lychee's and they have, what are the other things? All the ones. Yeah. Lava? Rambutan? Rambutan, yes. I don't think they've ever had passion fruit. Passion fruit looks really weird too. It looks shriveled and purplish, and then you open it and the inside looks like alien guts. That's literally the opposite of what I was imagining. Maybe they have it and you haven't seen it. Actually, there are green ones. I mean, there's different. It's possible. Different. I don't want to step on Roger's fruit king feet here, but our toes here. No, you pretty much nailed it. The more common of the two passion fruit that you're going to find is the purple one, hence the design of this label. They are one of the quintessential examples of the juice is not worth the squeeze. You cut this thing open. It's about the size of a racquetball, and you get like a tablespoon of pulp-ule fruit with little hard as a rock seeds in there. The flavor is amazing, but texturally, it's a mess. It's gloopy and then crunchy. Gross. Like hard as a rock, like helping fruit digest. Yeah. Like it's like a gizzard stone, yeah. Yeah. It's not good. It's not as hard as a guava seed, but it's- Yeah, it's tough. It's crunchy. It's like crunchier than a pomegranate. Oh, pomegranates are so hard to eat. Not very pleasant. You're hitting really close to home for me, Roger, because back in college, everybody said about me, the juice was not worth the squeeze. I mean, it's really embarrassing to relive that, but I mean, come on. We actually have a product called Chinola, which is a passion fruit liqueur. It's like 30 bucks for the 750 bottle because passion fruit is expensive. Yeah. But it's delicious. It's like you add that to a tiki drink and it's like, that's my bartender's catch up for tiki drinks. Roger, do you see what you have done to him? I love it. I love it. I love that he just brought that up. I totally agree. Jim's definitely a hardcore convert. Jim was always into it. I just helped him express his joyous enthusiasm for it. If you make tiki, it's nothing to be ashamed of. Everyone always makes fun of tiki as sugary and gloopy. It's not. Not the good stuff. I know what I'm doing. I got some cool tiki mugs. If you don't want to pop down 30 bucks for a bottle of chanola and you want passion fruit, here it is in beer form. Yes. Also in this beer, this is a credit to you, all of you who voted for this, you picked an awesome hop lineup. I mean, it literally was pretty much I think what I would have voted for. I definitely would have picked Strata, cue the ham horn. And the other hops in here are Galaxy and Cryo Mosaic. So it's worth mentioning, Cryo hops are pretty cool. For those who are unfamiliar, they take hops and cryogenically freeze them. So when they make a hop pellet out of cryo, it's like mega concentrated. It's flavor blasted, as we like to say. So this is the best yorgummy I've ever tasted of the three of them. This is by far the most balanced gummy I've ever tasted. And when I first smelled it, the passion fruit leapt out, but it was subtle enough that I thought it was just hops. So finding out that there's actual passion fruit in it was a bit of a revelation. And the fact that it is relatively dry and has a sour edge to it is kind of blowing my mind. It's great. It's really good. And as you know, I'm not a big proponent of the style, but well done. Is this going to be around? It's still around. Yeah. I mean, it was a one-time batch, but they made a lot for us. It was two turns of their system. So they're still a little bit in stores. But, you know, a big thank you to our friends in Noon Whistle. They brew great beer. And I know they love this too. They make the gummy series the way it is because they know people like it that way. But I think they sneakily like some very traditional beers and some drier beers. So they loved the passion fruit tinge to this. And I know they brewed another beer with passion fruit. Yeah. I think passion smack, you know, the sour. They got it. They got a passion fruit sour coming out. You know, by the way, this beer gets you right here. It's right here. And I just am salivating and wanting more because it gets you right here at the back of the palate, the glands. Although it's been out for like, what, a month? I think a little bit of that tartness. I feel like it was a little tart, more tart when I first had it, but. Tartar. Tartar. Yeah. Well, I'd get drunk on this beer. It's a great beer. So to wrap up that one. Yeah, right. Jenna, do you see the difference between this and the Stereo Hoppock and the Oscar Blues, the bright one? Yeah. So I actually noticed the difference in all of these. I'm very impressed. I like this lineup because they don't all taste the same, which is always my biggest complaint with IPA. They're all very different. This one is just so vibrant. I'm really into this one. Jenna, if you get drunk on this one, you will be officially tartar-sauced. Chris Beer, ladies and gentlemen. Why are you laughing? Don't encourage this. This is Binny's, the home of the pun. I'm old enough to be her father, so I should be able to tell dad jokes. Oh my God. What's the next beer? There's one more, right? Yeah, one more beer. Okay. Rounding out our IPA journey today is a beer from... This has to be one of the most consistent breweries in the United States. They're a brewery that literally I cannot think of a beer that I was disappointed with from them. There's always been beers, you know, ones that I love more than other ones, but... They just continue to wow year after year, and that's a really hard thing to do. Sierra Nevada, their latest release is called Powder Day. Again, they are... This is a reference to the Cryo process that I just described. So, it's that Lupulin powder. So there's some Cryo Hop powder that was used in this beer. The hop bill is unbelievable. This is a mixture of Amarillo, Chinook, Comet, Citra, Hercules, Idaho 7, Mosaic, and Polaris. And that might seem a little ridiculous for how many hops it is, but wow is the hop profile complex to this beer. I think there's really something to be said about Sierra's doing this for a reason. Everything is very well thought out there. Their brew system is impeccable. It's one of the best trips I've ever taken was to visit their brewery. Again, this is kind of a really interesting hybridized style. This is definitely brewed to appeal to fans of New England style IPAs, but while it's hazy, it's definitely not weighty. I've said enough. I'm curious to see what you guys think. It is like the West Coast take on the East Coast. Yeah, Roger. This is coming from a very modernized brewery that started out with repurposed milk equipment for their brewing system. Is that not right? It is. That's correct. And they literally, the Cascade Hop was one of the only American grown hops that was readily available to them when they crafted their first pale ale. Yeah. That's how old Sierra is. I think this nods to that tradition because there's a kind of dank and piney herbaceousness to this. But there's also a lifted tropical fruit here as well. I think it's beautifully balanced in the nose at least. Maybe I shouldn't have had it go last because it's so delicate. I think maybe after the noon, I probably should have concluded with the noon whistle, but I was trying to kind of contrast each of the things. So this again, leaner, not as heavy, but there's really some cool floral elements to this. There's some of that gooseberry kind of tartness. Yeah. Just so much going on in this beer. It's the most like the Oscar Blues of the lineup, but it seems to have more breath, more breath and more like heft, and then a lot of aromatic complexity. A lot of flowery stuff going on right now. Yeah. Yeah. I'm going to go back to the prior beers and say there's a decided creaminess on the palate here too. On this podcast, I feel like between Greg, Chris, Gemma, you guys love wine. Do you pick up on some wine-esque qualities to this? I feel like the hot profile in this is very vineous. PS. Jim clearly hates wine, according to Roger. Well, he's a beer guy like me. I am not a wine drinker. I don't know much about wine. Hey, Jim's with me. We're not wine people or beer people. We're salt of the earth people, okay? I'm not fancy pants. Wine is just farming at the end of the day. Why so fancy? All right. The next wine episode, we're just knocking beer the whole time. Yes. Yes, we are. The whole time. Yes. I can't wait. To answer Roger's question, I get very green herbaceous notes, a little bit of pepper, which you get a lot from certain white wines, especially Sauvignon Blanc. I definitely would agree. It shares a lot of the same characteristics. One of those weirdo South American white varietals like Torantes or something. Like Chilean Sauv Blanc. Right. Yeah. Just very green. Sierra Nevada delivers incredible flavor at crazy good value. You can get 12 packs of this for under 20 bucks. Old dogs can learn new tricks. Every day, 1899, we put it on sale for even less. So keep paying attention to Sierra Nevada, kids. I'm going to stick with the six pack of Goose Island stove. You're going to build yourself a six pack of Tropical Beer Hug. Yes. Yes, I am. Yeah. Once enough. Stove pipes are not the six pack option, but. Hey, if we can tear you away from the dragon lady, I'm all about it. All right. Rad. All right. Here's my entree into the outro. Check this out. See this pour? If you were at Bad Apple, this would cost $10, but by my math, it's probably about 75 cents. Yeah. Well, Roger, thanks for this lineup because I found them all interesting in their own ways and can definitely tell the difference between all of them. Awesome. Did we have anything that had Citra in it? Yeah, we did. Okay. Yeah, quite a few. Well, all right. Is Citra now just like the bittering hop that just like hangs out in there? Yeah. Because it's so cheap? I mean, Citra is in a lot of ways kind of the new cascade. Yeah. It all depends on availability. So now that everyone, the farmers aren't stupid. I mean, once they know that someone wants Citra, as long as it's easy enough to grow. I mean, the agricultural component of this is fascinating for people who want to nerd out on that. If you go to the hop websites, they talk about disease resistance and all that. But there seems to be good success growing Citra. So yeah, it was in quite a few of the beers that we tried today. So it's here to stay. The cost of mad living your IPAs can be higher, and it unfortunately means that you are going to pay a little more for them. But there's a difference between these beers using it as a blend with other hops, as opposed to like screaming that this is the only hop or the most important one in this beer, which none of these did, which I appreciate. Right. Yep. All right. Cool. You guys know that suitcase clones are a thing in wine, right? We need just a movement toward suitcase rhizomes so we can spread love around with these hops. Was that where they people smuggle out cuttings from France? Exactly. That started to happen with hops too, which is why I think some of the farmers that own the proprietary rhizomes would allow other farmers to contract grow it because people started to dig up the vines, yeah. Steal them. AKA keystering. A popular Binny's Barrel to Bottle phrase. Is that a rhizome in your pocket? Oh my. Okay. All right. Well, Roger, we greatly appreciate you bringing this line up of beer and listeners, we appreciate you leaving us a review on Apple Podcasts. Apple Podcasts and you can apparently rate on Spotify now. Oh yeah. I think you're gonna give stars but not a spiel. Okay. Yeah. Well, that's fine. Yeah. So give us some stars. Stars. I like stars. All right. Give us some stars on Spotify and- Hopefully it's like a 13 point scale though, to be fair. All right. Email your questions to us and tell your mom about us and we'll be back next week with something fun. Until next time, I am Greg. I'm Jenna. I'm Jim. I'm Chris. I'm Roger. Keep tasting.