Barrel to Bottle: Try If You Like: Wine

Hi, this is Alisha from Binny's. Thanks for listening to another episode of Barrel to Bottle, The Binny's Podcast. I'm joined today by Pat. I'm Pat, also from Binny's. Yeah, and I'm Greg, I'm from Binny's. Okay, screw you guys. Jim, cut all that. No, Jim, keep it in. Alisha, we made you start it because you're making us talk about wine today, which is our third and fourth most favorite subject to talk about. Wine's fine, wine's great. I love that it's number four out of four, so good. I thought it was four out of three. Today, we want to explore some wines that we think you should be drinking, and we have so many questions in the store of, if I like this, what do you recommend? That is the subject of today's podcast. We sell a lot of the same wines, and we want you to stop drinking the same wines. It's fine. It's fine. It's weird when Alisha reaches out and says, I need a report of the top-selling wines. Why? Well, I mean, that's got to be one of the most common questions we get. You get it on the wine sales floor. We get it through emails. It's, hey, I really like this. What else can you guys recommend? So welcome to TIYL colon wine. Try if you like wine edition. First in a series. Yes. Greg insists this is a thing that Pat and I refused to accept that. Hashtag TIYL colon wine part one. Can you put a colon and a hashtag? I don't know. I don't know either. How do those work? Alicia, you're young. Every time I try it, it accidentally makes it into a smiley face. All right. So one of our top selling wines of 2020 was Kim Crawford Sauvignon Blanc. One of our top selling wines of every year. Yeah. There we go. Top selling wine since they started making it. The wines that need no introduction, right? Yeah. So not a unique data point for 2020. Guys, Kim is a man, not a woman. Hate to break it to you. What? That's a thing? Yeah. I mean, I know other men named Kim, but I just always assumed Kim Crawford was, first of all, I assumed not real. I thought it was just some made up- Composite character of other winemakers. Yeah. Like the Marlboro man. But yeah. So this is Sauvignon Blanc from Marlboro, and many have gravitated to Sauvignon Blanc from New Zealand for this really pungent, high acid, in-your-face style, and it's very popular and Kim Crawford specifically. So if you like Kim Crawford Sauvignon Blanc, we are here to show you two wines that might bring you a little bit outside of your comfort zone, but still appeal to those common characteristics, which are that it's aromatic, it lifts itself right out of the glass, that it's high in acid, it's un-oaked, so it's really clean, fermented in stainless steel, and there's a lot of fruit. So, gentlemen, you have two wines in your glasses. The first, again, is the Leeuwin Estate Art Series Riesling from Margaret River. The second is Noura Alberino from Riespacia, Spain. So first on the Riesling, again, we're going after aromatic intensity here, which Riesling, just like your Sauvignon Blanc, is an aromatic variety, and Riesling can be made in all styles, dry through to sweet. So for those that are cringing at home, thinking, why would you recommend a sweet wine if I like Sauvignon Blanc? Don't worry, this is bone dry, and actually most Rieslings coming out of Australia are such, so it's a safe place to go if you like the drier styles. So what you should see here is something, again, very aromatically intense, very high in acid, kind of mouth puckering acidity, and lots of kind of fruity and floral notes. It's not quite as heavy on the tropical fruit as you would get from Kim Crawford Sauvignon Blanc or any New Zealand Sauvignon Blanc, which I will defend, by the way. It's a top seller for a reason, people like that. So this is a little more steely and linear, but it's there. It's got a bit of an elderflower thing going on. Yeah, it's super floral, lots of citrus food, a lot of lime zest for sure, and then definitely into that white peach and a little kind of apricot. Yeah, you don't get as much of the tropical fruit notes. However, the fruit intensity is there, I think. This is a crisp patio crusher for sure. It is a blast of mouthwatering acidity. Which is great. If this was carbonated, it would just be like a sour Belgian beer. Yeah. So Riesling is another grape that I always mention things that are underappreciated, but Riesling for sure, and you can find dry styles by law, Alsace AOC, their Rieslings are always going to be dry. Austria makes fantastic dry Rieslings, a little bit more of kind of a riper style than say in Germany where it's a little hit or miss, they're doing all styles there. So if you're intimidated by the German isle for Riesling, either ask for help or go to Alsace, go to Australia, go to Austria, go to the Finger Lakes as well. We're pretty good on labeling there to help you out as they are as well on the back label, but dry Riesling for you kind of high acid lovers. Yeah. Good place to go. That's what New Zealand Sauvignon Blanc is all about. This is burst of acidity and then an undercurrent of fruit. If you like New Zealand Sauvignon Blanc, but you don't like the ones that get really grassy or really like asparagus or green bell pepper, this has none of that. This is just a blast of fruit. This is an awesome wine. This is great. So this is on the shelf for eight. Sorry, I get enthusiastic sometimes. This is on the shelf for $18.99. So it is a few dollars more than Kim Crawford, but I think well worth it to try something new, and Margaret River Australia, something very different to share with guests and family. You're right. Dare I say it, but don't buy the six pack of hams with it, and then that's your extra three bucks. Right. Leeuwin makes one of my favorite Chardonnays perennially. That artist label Chardonnay is so good. Yes. It's world class, and it's like 40 bucks or whatever it is now. Yeah. So I mean, Margaret River is in the very south and very west part of Australia, just south of the city of Perth, so quite far from the rest of the wine producing area of the country. Oh yeah, way over. Very isolated. And due to those kind of warming, the Indian Ocean doesn't get super cold. And so though it can be slightly cooling influence there, it's not too much. And so they grow a lot of Bordeaux varieties and also excellent, excellent Chardonnay. Riesling actually tends to be the outlier. So I was pleasantly surprised to find this on the shelf. Clare Valley and Eden Valley over in South Australia are your more typical regions in Australia for Riesling. Again, bone-drying style. Some people also say that it has this kind of freshly open kind of tennis balls, kind of smell. It's a little bit of glue. That's what I got initially. A lot of lime zest. I'm glad you guys like it though. I'm a fan. The next wine that you have, also for our Kim Crawford fans out there, is an Alberino. So, Alberino is the great variety. We're in Rias Baixos, in Galicia, in Northwestern Spain. And this is very different up here than what we kind of think about Spain. It's very lush. It's high rainfall. It's a maritime climate largely influenced from the Atlantic Ocean. Wait a minute. You're saying that the rain in Spain falls mainly on the coast? Shocker. Yo, this wine slaps. This is awesome. So it's aromatically delightful. Yeah. What a nose on this wine. Yeah. And you should almost kind of almost smell a little bit of the seaside if you can. There's a salinity to the wine that you find with albino. Lots of fruit here. We probably will flirt with some tropical fruits. It's high in acid. It's a semi-aromatic grape variety. And this example, and most are also fermented in stainless steel. Sometimes they'll do a little bit of aging on the leaves for a little creamy texture. But this is again a really clean wine, very bright, and I think will appeal to Sauvignon Blanc fans. OK, bear with me here. I mean, it's like peach overload, right? Yep. But do you get under there, on the nose, like a tiny, tiny bit of like, like basil or oregano or maybe dill? I definitely think there's an herbal note for sure. Oftentimes with albino, I think about, you know, one of those like fruit cups that you got as a kid. Yeah, one cherry. That Dole convinced, did we talk about this? That Dole convinced you were healthy? When I was a kid, they came in cans. Yeah, yeah, they were cans, yeah. In heavy syrup. Yeah, there's this, a little bit of a fruit cup element, I think, to albino. Fruit cocktail. Fruit cocktail, thank you. That's what they call them. OK, so this is $14.99, so another great value, Noura Alberino. Another albino on the shelf is Garzons Alberino, and this is actually from Uruguay, so, but most are in Northwest Bain. It's all peaches on the nose, more lime on the palate, and there is like a salinity on the palate. There totally is, right? Wow, I forgot how much I like albino. I haven't had one in, I don't know, several years. I'm still shocked that people don't drink more of this. Another favorite producer, Dio Ferrero, is fantastic. He's up at $23.99, but shop for albino, super food friendly. There's enough weight on the palate, so the Riesling, as Greg said, was very lean and linear. This albino is much rounder, the fruit's a little plusher, but with still elevated acidity, making it very conducive to a lot of foods. That wine was awesome. Awesome. Cool. Cool. One of our other top selling wines of 2020 was Mark West Pinot Noir. Holy cow, we sell a lot of Mark West Pinot Noir. A lot of Mark West Pinot Noir. I have cousins who buy it by the palate, I think. So in January of 2020, I was in the Jacob J. Javits, whatever, New York City in Manhattan in a conference, and a guy was like, hey, you work for Binny's because I had my name tag on, my badge. And I was like, yeah. And he goes, thanks for the Mark West Pinot Noir. I got a great deal on it. I bought my father-in-law a case. I was in New York and the guy thanked me for having Mark West Pinot Noir. Weren't we selling Mark West Pinot Noir last winter for like four bucks or something? Yeah. So full price is $9.99. But oftentimes discounted significantly. And here's the thing with Pinot Noir, it is a very finicky grape. It's very thin skinned. It's prone to disease. It's very site-specific. All of that to say it's difficult to do well on a budget. And somehow there's a lake of it in California. Somehow, right. So we won't go into how they're making this Pinot Noir. But a little side note here, if you've had Pinot Noir before and you don't like it, you need to spend more money because there are some beautiful expressions. But we're here to show you two wines that if you do like that fresh kind of red fruit, low tannin, elevated acidity, light to medium bodied style wine. You just described like the most popular wines we sell. We have two to show you. Nice. These two are going to be maybe off your radar a little bit, but we'll start in the country of Austria with a great variety called Zweigelt. Hey, you like this fresh fruity, ripe California Pinot Noir? Try this Austrian thing that you can barely pronounce. Is that what you're telling us to do? It didn't go pretty obscure with this pick. Give me a little rope here. I'm keeping an open mind. I just wanted to make sure I understood what's going on here. Vaguely aware that there was a grape variety called Zweigelt. Zweigelt is the most planted red grape variety in Austria. It's a cross between Blaufranckisch and St. Laurent. Now, most of us think about Austria and we only think about Gruner-Wettliner. Yeah. Or if you were living and drinking a lot of wine in the early 80s, you might remember a big scandal in Austria that really decimated their exports when they were putting an antifreeze agent in their wines. Well, I remember that. Actually, no, I don't remember that. No, I do. That's like one of those enduring jokes about European wine, like cheap European wine. Has antifreeze in it. Yeah. Interesting. However, they no longer do this. Well, that's good. Don't worry. They make absolutely gorgeous wines and really reliable. I really haven't had an Austrian wine I didn't like, but here we are in Zweigelt and it's from the Carnuntrum DAC. If you locate Vienna on the map, it's just over to the east of that. But what we're looking for, tart sour red fruit, light body, low tannin. This is going to be your really easy drinking, but red fruit-forward wine. We'd love your thoughts. Sour red fruit for sure, like sour cherry. Yeah, and there's a bricky minerality on the nose. Whatever that clay is. Yeah. There's a little bit of an earthy component, which we do find in Pinot Noir. But it's tart, it's high in acid. Definitely, I'm still salivating, and it's very fruity. This is an unoaked expression. This is from Nadler, and again, on the shelf for $12.99. For those that want that easy drinking weeknight, red fruit, low tannin wine, $12.99, Try Zweigelt from Austria. We have plenty of other options as well, but I think this is a great alternative to a very kind of basic mass-produced Pinot Noir. When I think of raspberries, I think of tart raspberries, not just the super ripe ones. And this has that acidic, like, finish. It starts fresh and fruity, and then it gets more earthy and more herbal as it crosses your palate. Yep. Which makes it, like, the ultimate, you want to drink more of it because it leaves you, like, wanting to get back to the fruit. I think this is pretty good. It's pretty good. I put it with, like, cheese or something like that. Yeah. Okay. I'll take pretty good for $12.99. Pretty good compared to mass market California Pinot Noir. Yeah. I mean, it has more complexity. Yeah, I guess. It's got this herbal thing that I don't know that we're talking to the same drinker with. I don't know. It does have an herbal quality, like, actually a backbone. Also, I wouldn't have guessed on oat, but that's because I associate some of those darker flavors with char, when really it's just the grapes. And actually, it's not that far off from a Creux Beaujolais. Yeah, which is another parallel that we often bring people to with Pinot Noir. If you go to Beaujolais, go to the Gamay grape variety, it's another thin-skinned, high kind of elevated acidity, low tannin wine. That same like fresh punch of underripe fruit and like fresh fruit that then gets more herbal as it goes. Yeah. Yeah. There's a spicy quality to it as well that I think is pleasant. Totally. Okay. Well, let's see if I can win Pat over with my second alternative here. The next wine here is Mencia from the Bierzo region of Spain. This is J. Palacios' wine, Petalos. Bierzo really came on the map here just a few decades ago and in the 90s and largely thanks to the two gentlemen behind this wine. They had vineyards in Priarat. They recognized similar slate soils in Mencia. Every red wine coming out of Bierzo will be 75 percent Mencia. Here with this variety, I think it's much more savory on the nose. There's a lot of earth and mushroom quality to it, which is Pinot Noir. This is what we see with Pinot Noir alongside the red fruit. There's a floral note to it. I think the fruit condition as well, it's deeper. There's a little more body to the wine. The tannins start to appear much more than we saw on the Zweigelt. Still definitely just this nice fine grain, but I think an excellent alternative to, in fact, some higher-end Pinot Noir, not even just at the $10 price point. That's exactly what I was going to say. If you're drinking the less expensive Burgundies, this is an affordable alternative. It is. It's more mineral focused. Yeah, not overblown. You're overshooting your target drinker here. I mean, this is $21.99, and there are a few less expensive. No one's going from Mark West to $22. Come on. Well, if it was that other top-selling California Pinot Noir, but that's even more extracted and overblown. That's sweeter. This is a very nice wine. Swing and a miss. These try if you like. These try if you like are try if you like better Pinot Noir. Okay. So if you want better than Mark West. Then buy better than Mark West Pinot Noir. This is date night. Try if you like. Yeah. Okay. Maybe I can win you on my last two. This is a really interesting wine though. Along with the herbal thing that you're talking about, there's aloe in the nose, the chicory root or what's the sassafras? This is an amazing wine for the price. There's herbal components, there's fruit components, there's earth components. It tastes like cola on the finish. It's truly beautiful. This all comes from 60-year-old vines, all farmed biodynamically. Greg's going to be the first to sign up because of that. Really high-quality wine making. Anyway, let's- If you like Priorat, they go for like 40, 50, 180 dollars. Some of the most expensive wines in Spain are from Priorat. This is a knockout value. It does have some of that similar- Minerality, I think, for sure. Minerality, exactly. Yeah. I mean, different great variety, so different style, but yeah, still- More approachable, young. As we have had two examples from Spain, I think just a good lesson in turning to the country and finding great value. They're one of the biggest exporters of wine, but in terms of the volume to price ratio, they're one of the most affordable. Kim, but you don't like the wine. No, I do like the wine. I like this wine a lot, and I agree that a Pinot Noir drinker is going to find a lot to love here, but I think it's a hard sell to get someone to go from Mark West to this. Sure, but when I was picking this, I was also thinking about our 1999 Miomi Pinot Noir. Yeah, no, that's fair. I mean, yeah, at Miomi, I think you have a closer comparison to this because it's only a couple bucks more. This is much more of a serious wine than Miomi. Miomi is pretty sweet, and I think this has, not that this is lacking in fruit or anything, it's just has a lot more going on. Sure, but when all of us got into wine, we tended to go for wines that might have a little bit of residual sugar to them. Oh, for sure. And are appealing in that way. And then the more you drink, the more, I don't want to say refined, but the more interesting and enjoyable the kind of more drier, the drier styles are. These sure are interesting. That's for sure. Okay, so for you Mark West drinkers, we encourage you to try the Zweigelt. And for those that... The Maomi drinkers, try that other one. Yeah, are up for spending a little bit more. Try Mencia from Beard So. Yeah, that was good. Okay, so our last great variety here is Cabernet Sauvignon, and specifically Joel Gott. Cabernet is a bestseller for us. And so I want to introduce you to a Portuguese blend. This is Tinta Azul Red Blend from the Dao region of Portugal. And then we'll head down to Chile after that. I will defend Joel Gott Cabernet also. I think of the big popular cab brands, I put it in the top tier. What about Louis Martini? Where does that fit in there? I think the Napa Louis Martini is pretty good. I agree, but it's like 30 bucks. Yeah, that's true. And Alexander Valley Louis Martini is like not the same, but it's still pretty good. You know, I think Louis Martini is not bad. It's funny, I agree with you. It's a Gallup product. It's a particular hot button for me because I think I did not get a job because I applied at Binny's and Sam's at the same time. And I had like my third interview with the Sam's wine manager in Highland Park. And he was like, what are you into? And I was like 23. And I was like, you know, I can only afford so much. I'm starting to get into like Alexander Valley Cabernet. I think Louis Martinez is pretty good. And he never called me back. Oh, it's cute that you think that was the reason. Yeah, right. Thank you. Really, it was body odor. It was over the phone. Strong body odor. Anyway, I met him a few years later. We were hanging out and he was like, oh, yeah, that sounds like something I would do. Let's hear your Joel Gott alternative. Try if you like Joel Gott Cabernet. Okay. Here we are in Portugal, which we have mentioned a few times on the podcast to find great value here and a rising star in the wine world. The trouble that they had was that they have a lot of indigenous varieties, some that people can pronounce and they don't know what they taste like. But they're figuring that out and marketing well, and also they've planted a lot of international varieties too. But here we are, this Tinta Azul blend. This is a blend of Torrego Nacional, which is most of it, 42 percent. This is going to bring some color and tannin and dark fruit to the wine. It's then 25 percent Tinta Barreiro, which is Tempranillo, 24 percent Alfrigero, and 9 percent Jane, which is Menzia, which is what we just had. Jane? Jane. We go from fun colorful Portuguese sounding names to Jane. Literally plain Jane. Put the word dough after it and it means a person you don't even know. J-A-E-N. Oh. Okay. Anyway, with this wine, I was thinking about some of those inexpensive Cabernets that just have a lot of fruit to them. This has a lot of brambly fruits, black and purple and red. It's bold and fruity. Again, very easy drinking, pretty full in body but really soft and tannin. If that fruit-forward nature of Cabernet is what you enjoy, then I think this Portuguese blend, Tinta Azul from Dau, is right up your alley. I like this wine a lot. It's got a bit of an earthiness that lingers. Through the finish. Yeah, which I can't quite place. But it's not like the finish isn't as fruity as the front and the mid palate, but I do like it though. Do you got any eucalyptus? Yes. Yeah. Dao is actually known for its vast plantings of eucalyptus trees. Make the connection if you want. I don't. I think that's a bunch of bulls**t. Oh, really? That's going to taste like eucalyptus just because they plant eucalyptus. That is true. Cunawara in Australia is really known for this heavy Cabernet Sauvignon, which they're excellent, but tons of eucalyptus trees and there's always this distinct herbal eucalyptus quality in their wines. How it gets there, we don't know. Some growers will strategically plant eucalyptus if they need some cut in their wines, or demand that there's none of those plants nearby, because they throw whatever, it's not spores, but whatever their pollen, it just gets on everything. Interesting. I only don't want to buy into it because I once had a tequila distiller tell me that their tequila was so sweet and so full-bodied because all of their agave plants were grown underneath fruit trees, which is a total load of s**t, and his tequila was All right. That's a good reason, but in this case, I'll make this suggestion. Dow, in fact, it's a really cool region. About 90% of the vineyard holdings are less than a half hectare, so really small family holdings there, and only about 15% are exported. Right. I mean, the fruit profile is pretty easy to imagine if you've ever had port. It's many of the same grapes that are in port, only dialed back and not fortified. Sure. So, I mean, it has that same ripe cherry, just ripe cherry, cherry confection quality across it. Yep. I love this wine. Super cheerful, really friendly, very inoffensive. And for those that like fruit-forward wines, this is your jam. This is on it. Oh, hey, you know who would love this? Mark Westner here. All right. I'm saying. All right. Mark West drinkers, Tinta Azul. Give it a try. It's a nice, pretty blue label. What are we selling it for? That's the kicker. It's often on sale. So this is one you might only find at Binny's, and Mr. Babbo would love that we're talking about it. He brought it in because it's such a value. It's on the regular on the shelf for $11.99 at the time of recording, on sale for $8.99. Not bad. Not bad at all. It's a nice $9. Okay, so I won over the Mark West drinkers, according to Pat. Can we talk about how much the second wine smells like blueberries? Can we talk about the second wine first before we get there? I think there's another distinctive smell on here, and I don't want to say it because it'll be all you smell. Yeah, probably. Tell me later. Ready? Okay, so we're going to Chile. Everyone needs to drink more Chilean wine, doing good stuff. They've been making wine there since the mid-16th century, and in the last kind of few decades, once they opened up their economy and got their political situation sorted out, we are now seeing a lot of foreign investment in Chile and excellent wines. We are looking at Perez Cruz Cabernet Sauvignon. If you're just so in love with Cab and you don't want to give it up, at least try one from another country or another region than California. Yeah. So this is their Reserva, which in Chile doesn't mean too much, just a minimum alcohol level. But this is from the Maipo Valley. And the big kind of thing here that's coming out with this Cabernet Sauvignon, so we talked about the fruit-forward nature of the last wine. But if you are a Cabernet drinker that appreciates both the herbal and the herbaceous quality of Cabernet, noticeably kind of this like green bell pepper. Green bell pepper and stewed tomatoes. You will find it in this wine. I don't think it's quite as snappy and aggressive as you make it sound. Hey, listen. So lots of black fruit, very herbal, very herbaceous. But full in body, we get those elevated tannins. This is kind of classic and refined Cabernet Sauvignon. It's not kind of over extracted. It's not jammy. It's really pretty. Some people don't like that herbaceous quality. It's coming from a chemical compound called pyrazine, but it's the same one in Sauvignon Blanc. We talked about earlier that green bell pepper grassy quality. I don't think it's that over the top with that. I think it's really pretty. I think it's very pronounced. Really? I don't think it's as pronounced as you do, certainly. Either you're looking at all of the other flavors in this and not having it pop out, or maybe it's one of those things that jumps out to Alicia and me, and that maybe you're just not that sensitive to that. I guess. Because you can't smell diacetyl, but it's overwhelming to me. I think that's really nice. It is really nice. That's not an insult. That herbaceous quality, it gives it... I mean, it's an affordable wine, right? But it gives it this classy quality, and that's not specifically in Bordeaux. A lot of good Bordeaux have a lot of other stuff on top of it, but it's reminiscent of some of that old world style. Yeah, very much so. And when you leave Cabernet Sauvignon as a grape variety on the vine for a long period of time, and arguably too long, you can ripen kind of out the purezines. So we don't see it in all wines, but if you pick early enough, you'll retain it, and thus we see it in this wine. Cabernet Franc, especially from the Loire Valley, has a ton of this. So the other thing to note on this wine, it's at $12.99, so great value, but Chile is obviously a very narrow country. It's the second longest country in the world, and so, yes, latitude plays a part, but actually, whether you're near the ocean or near the Andes has a huge influence, and some of the best sites in the Maipo Valley where this is from, kind of are nestled up into the Andes, where we get those temperature shifts, we get great drainage, we get natural irrigation from the snow and the ice caps, and really, really beautiful wines. So Maipo Valley, Cabernet Sauvignon, great values, and yeah, I Still, and it's got a little bit of cocoa too. Yeah, it does. I actually blinded this wine in my tasting group, and thought it was Shinan, because of the herbaceous quality. But that's that winery you have that part-time job for? So, three top-selling wines and a New Zealand Sauvignon Blanc, a California Pinot Noir, and a California Cabernet. And we have six viable alternatives here. None of which are the things you just named. None of which are the things that I just said. Pretty cool. Yeah. Indeed. And y'all, you need to be more adventurous, right? Get out there, Liv. Like, we want you to buy a case, but try a mixed case one time, you know? So if you're drinking Sauvignon Blanc and you like, again, those high-acid, clean, pungent, fruity styles, try a dry riesling like the Leeuwin Estate Art Series from Margaret River, Australia. Try an alboreño from Ria Spicius. We tasted the Nora alboreño today. If you like the fruity and light body and high acid and low tannins of Pinot Noir on a budget, try a Zweigelt from Austria. If you want to spend a little bit more, try Mencia from Biertzo in Spain. Or maybe a Portuguese Red Blend. Or the Tinta Azul. Let's try new things this year. Yeah. Lastly, if you're a Cabernet drinker, try Portuguese blends or if you want to stick with Cabernet, head to South America. Both Chile and Argentina, great Cabernet Sauvignon. We had the Perez Cruz from the Maipo Valley at $12.99. This is just the tip of the iceberg. There's a whole world of wine out there. It's not scary. The worst thing is, you have to drink a bottle of wine that you only kind of like. Talk to your Binny's Wine Consultant because we are all geeked on this. Yeah. You don't need to worry about even finding the right words to describe preferences if that's intimidating. Just tell us what you have enjoyed lately, right? Tell us if you enjoyed the Kim Crawford or if you liked the Miome Pinot Noir or whatever and we'll help you find a suitable wine. So don't be intimidated by the language. Cool. More try if you like. I guess if you like let us know and we'll bring you more episodes of Try If You Like. We got to do at least one more beer and one spirits episode. For sure. But we could do so many of these. We could do so many of these. Repeat if you like. Also if you like leave us a review on your podcast platform of choice. Tell your mom, tell your boss, tell your neighbors. All right. So this has been fun. I tried some new wines today including- Your enthusiasm is terrible. Zweigelt or whatever. I'm open-minded with it. But like, I don't know, Zweigelt seems like the German organization Captain America has to fight or something. It's $12 you need to calm down. All right. Fine. $12. I'll do it. Look at this cute label. Look at that. Nadler. Nadler. Nice Nadler, bro. Yeah. Okay. All right. So this was fun. This was good. Trying new wines, most importantly. So until next week, I'm Pat. I'm Greg. And I'm Alisha. Keep tasting new things. Yo, this wine slaps.