I am opposed to drinking a craft beer out of this package. That's a beer? I thought it was something else. 95 calories, 2.6, it is 12 ounces. Okay, so it's the same can they use for Miklobal, the skinny can that makes six points. This is equivalent of me wearing vertical stripes. Look, six point has been using that can for years. Yeah, take that, mouthy. Ham's is a better beer than this. All right, the reason that Pap is complaining. Yeah, is Ham's Light a better beer than this? No, Ham's Light is not. So that's what this is the equivalent of. The reason the Pat is complaining is because, one, he skipped breakfast. It's true. And two, we're going to taste a whole line up of low calorie beers. All right, so on this week's episode of Barrel to Bottle, The Binny's Podcast, we are going to be diving into low-cal beers to keep our waistlines felt. Indeed. I'm Shannon. I'm Greg. You gonna say what you do? No. Keep tasting. Let's get out of here, random baby. I'm Roger, I do beer. I'm Pat, I drink beer. I'm Shannon, I also drink beer. I'm Greg, I do communications. And I moderate apparently. Yeah. You're our moderator. All right. Roger, what did you pour for us? St. Archer Gold Lightcraft Lager. The beer industry right now is kind of scrambling. Everyone's trying to figure out what's going to stick, what's the hot new thing. We're kind of in a weird time where everything is all about IPAs, stouts, and sours. Hardwater finally had its day in the sun. It's been around for years, but it's exploded in popularity. The thing about hardwater, hard seltzer, of course, low in calories, low in carbs, low in sugar. Low in excitement. Low in everything. So the beer industry is trying to figure out, how can you make a quality craft beer? Something that's got some actual flavor, something that's interesting, something that reminds you of full-flavored craft beer, but it also is low in calories, if not also low in carbs. So I brought a variety of different things here. There's some interesting science behind some of these. Some of the breweries don't necessarily want to be too candid about how they brew these beers or what the secret is. But we can sort of figure out some of it at least. What do you think is the highest alcohol percentage on the table? So that's what's interesting too. So in the past, a lot of the low-cal beers would be crazy low in alcohol. You'd have something like a Miller 64 or a Bexelite that are like two and a half percent alcohol. So like this St. Archer Gold? No. So that is 4.5. I would say that most of these are around 4 percent, or maybe it's not. Let me see. I wrote all this down, so I keep it straight. Roger has a spreadsheet here. I do. He printed the spreadsheet like a true old man. Yeah. 4.2 on the St. Archer. So for most of what we're going to be tasting today is going to be in the 4 percent up to 5 range, but there's a couple of outlayers. The new Goose Island called So Low is only 3 percent. But again, I think they're bent an angle on that. If you've listened to our podcast about zero alcohol or low alcohol alternatives, they wanted that to be really low in alcohol. Yeah. That's not as much a calorie play as an alcohol play, right? Yeah. It's low-cal. Like it says right on their low-cal. I think they're just trying to capitalize off both. So anyway, St. Archer just launched only a couple of weeks ago. So this is brand-new to the market. Now, they've made this for a while. We've been asked for this for a while and it wasn't distributed in Illinois, correct? Yeah. St. Archer has been around for sure. And they're Miller Core's owned out of San Diego? Correct. So this is a helles, German helles style lager. So this is going after your macro drinkers. So people that are drinking most specifically like Michelob Ultra is one of the most popular low-calorie beers right now. It's selling like crazy. So they're trying to target somebody that enjoys that, give them something that's a little more craft-esque, has a little more flavor. I think this tastes like PBR. Yeah. It's got a sweetness to it that reminds me of PBR. Yeah. It smells even lighter. Is this all malt though? This isn't adjunct lager. I don't think there's any adjuncts in this. No corn. I couldn't be less interested in this beer. I think that beer is fine. All it does is make me think like, man, I really wish I had a hams right now. Well, again, so this is achieving the flavor and aroma that it has at 95 calories and only 2.6 carbs. So carb-wise, if you're actually counting carbs, this is super low in carbs. That is very low. That's like Mick Ultra Low. Yeah. I'll be reading off every, pretty much everyone has divulged the info. I had to do some research on a few of them, but this is one of the lowest carb counts of any of the beers that we're gonna try. Well, let's go from one lager to a blonde ale. So this is sort of lager adjacent. This is a beer that's actually been around for a while from a brewery that really doesn't get enough credit for the quality of beer they make at the price that they offer. That is true. This is Shiner Blonde. This is Shiner Light Blonde. Light Blonde. And this actually has been around since 2011. It's 4.2% alcohol, 3.8 carbs, and only 99 calories. Is there Blonde even still available? I don't believe so. So I think the Blonde has kind of morphed names over the years and I think changed. So I think this is for all intents and purposes, the Blonde from Shiner. This is really fruity and floral. Yeah. It's an interesting beer. I think it's a little, there's a little more flavor there than St. Archer, but I don't know that I enjoy the flavor more. Is this supposed to be ale? Yeah. So this is a Blonde Ale. So it's not a lager. It's going to be fruitier. It's going to be a little more ester. Ester yeast character, yeah. Soft, a little bit sweet. If you're used to, like, if you'll enjoy Hefeweizen's or wheat beers. Totally. You dig this. It's clean, is what I like. You know, other than, like you said, it has this definite floral character to it. But other than that, like, it doesn't have some of the strange off tastes of like your macro light beers. So if you like a Hefeweizen or a wheat beer and really want to downshift to something that's a lot lighter and crisper, but still keeps that same soft sweetness. I would like this to be a little crisper in body, I think so. I think it's just a little soft and plush. The other added bonus of this, Shiner beers are super affordable. So you're talking about around $12, $13 a 12 pack depending on if we're running it on sale or not. How can you afford not to drink it? Yeah. When this goes on sale, it's under a buck a beer. So I mean, this is something that if you're on the fence about trying something and maybe switching up your light beer, it's really pretty comparable in price to some of the macro. Thanks for that audible yawn there, Jim. I'm not even miked. I'm not even miked and it came through loud and clear. What's the ABV on this one? 4.2. All right. So let's jazz it up a little bit. Let's introduce hops into the mix here. Wake Jimmy up. I concur with that yawn. But okay, so Roger always does this. That was the true version for that beer. Roger always does this. Instead of bringing four or six beers, he brought 10 beers. So if nothing else, thank goodness that they're all low alcohol so we can get through this tasting. I want you guys to taste the field right now and this is only part of it. This really is the biggest trend in beer right now is low-cal, low-carb. There are a lot of options. Everybody is throwing their hat in the ring. They definitely vary in taste and mouthfeel and alcohol. So I wanted to throw it all out here and see what you guys thought. Because I know some of these are like my- This beer smells like the hop cooler at the home brew store. yes. It just smells like just generic vegetal hop. So this beer, Roger has a theory of what the art on the label means. It's a bent nail. He says, you won't get hammered. It's a Laganitas Daytime. Laganitas Daytime. It doesn't say daytime pale or anything. It says daytime ale. It tastes better than it smells. I legit am turned off by this old hop vegetal character. It doesn't smell far off from that hop water that we had a few weeks ago. That's what I was just thinking. So this is daytime reworked. So you can think of this as daytime 2.0. So they had a beer before called daytime. They wanted to change things up and enter this low-cal, low-carb arena. So this one is not the same as old daytime. It is 4% ABV. It only has 3 carbs and it's 98 calories. I agree with Pat. This one is for people that actually want a little hop bitterness. Yeah. I appreciate the bitterness of this, and I think it tastes more like what I'm looking at. That bitterness gives it a crisp snap that I'm looking for in a lighter beer, but I'm just turned off by the nose. I'm a Loganitas fanboy, and this is not my favorite. Although this is the opposite of why I'm a Loganitas fanboy. I like them because they're heavy hitting and over-delivery hop syrups, and because they're affordable along with being overblown. All right. So up next is one from Goose Island. This is called Solo. That one's pouring a little bit deeper or richer. Yeah, the color on this is definitely... Notably darker color than the other beers we've tried so far. This one goes out of its way to say India Pale Ale. So this one clocks in at the lowest here at 3% ABV. They did not divulge the... It's like Utah strength. It's near. It is. Someone asked about near beer the other day. This comes in low enough to be considered near beer. Carbs, they do not divulge. So write in the Goose Island and tell them to let you know how many carbs are in it. calories is only 98. This comes in 15 packs. So if you want to talk about economical buys, they are just giving Goose Island beer away right now. Yeah, so does Bourne-Villain, so does 312. It's crazy. They're putting their beer in 15 packs, but their beer is not exciting right now. This is easily the best beer we've had so far though, and it's tasty. Hey, fair enough. This is so much better than laganese Daytime. That's true. Like unbelievably better than laganese Daytime. A little bit of that fruit loops fruit underneath. I wouldn't go that far. I don't quite care for how light and body this is. I think it's a little too washed out. This is the flavorful Miller Lite I'm looking for. It says it's an IPA, guys. Yeah. Yeah. So is it delivering hopwise enough if you're picturing it as a macro logger? Yeah, I think so. They did talk about the hops. They did use some interesting hops in this. They used Idaho 7, which is a very kind of sought after. They used one cone of each hop. Yeah. Coatu and Chinook, an oldie but a goodie. I don't really taste much of the Chinook, but must be there doing something. So next, let's do Oney, which is from Oscar blues, hence the drug reference. Well, I was going to ask what kind of drug reference this was, because it was Oscar blues. What's a oney? Oh, put that in stereo. What is a oney? I don't know. One hitter, right? It's a one hitter? One hitter, yeah. People smoke those? It's 2020, baby. People are lining up. You just take your THC eye drop. Yeah, right? Yeah, you just smoke a fatty now, I guess. You don't really need to hide it with the one hitter, unless you're on the go and you want to just do... It's quick, like those dog walkers. Yeah. 100 calories, 5 grams carbs, 4% alcohol. So again, within the realm, this specifically, they call a hazy IPA. So if you look at it, it's got a little bit of haze to it. Oh, this is better than the Goose Island. Some really nice hop character to this and a cool hop bill. So they use El Dorado, Comet, Citra, Mosaic and Aramis. How expensive is this then? It's in line with the other Oscar blues, it's $9.99. Not bad. This is nice. Yeah. I get more basic cereal like wheaties. So, I mean, there's some grain supporting it. Yeah. This is the most body by far of anything that we tasted. I think you could easily blind this and just hand a glass of this to someone and say it's a, you know, maybe call it a session IPA, but say this is a, maybe call it like a pale ale. They shouldn't have used the word hazy. You know, why not? It's legitimately hazy. It is legitimately hazy. It's a little bitter in it. I mean, it doesn't look like orange juice, but that's plenty hazy. It's got a haze. It probably has more bitterness than a lot of haze. Yeah, the person who's looking for hazy IPAs is super going to be happy with this. That was sarcasm. They're not. It's low haze. It's a low cal, so you get low haze. Yeah, this is plenty hazy. It's just that it's more bitter than a lot of hazy IPAs. It's haze-ish. But again, remember. yes, it is haze-ish. Haze-ish at best. A lot of hazy beers aren't necessarily New England style. How did this low calorie... What a bunch of bulls**t. This low calorie beer episode turned into another hazy IPA episode, because that's what the whole beer industry has turned into. Just one big hazy episode. One big hazy IPA episode. This cute little guy is from the Vandermil Apple Buds series. The first release in this was a Rosé, and this one is Brut Zero Sugar. This is low-calvia, the snack wells method of just coming in a tiny package. So this was not an effort to dupe people like Greg would suggest. The second release in this series. yes, it's 80 calories, but lots of ciders are crazy high in sugar. So this is fermented completely dry, hence the Brut Zero. This is excellent. Smells delicious. I'm joking because it comes in an 8-ounce can. So yeah, the costs of cider making are high because unlike beer, they can't add any water. Everything is just the juice from apples. So apples have a significant cost related to them. So it's really pretty funny. The cider industry is finally going to have their day when people start thinking of cider as wine because cider is 100% wine. That's my number one tasting note here. This is Venice. Yeah. This is champagne. I would believe that it's not like Sauvignon Blanc, but one of those weird grapes like Ooni Blanc from Italy or France. I believe that it was one of those. Or like some kind of Macedonian white wine. If you enjoy sparkling wines, you should definitely give this a try because- It's barely sparkling. If it was wine, I would call it frizzante at best. It's frizzante at best. Sorry for bringing the product knowledge to the table. Again, if you're a normal person and not a wine aficionado like Greg, this is plenty sparkling. It's not. Even for a cider, you- It's frizzante at best. It's f**king sparkling. Look at it. It's bubbly. It's got nice effervescence. It's frizzante at best and tank conditioned at worst. Yeah. Anyway, it's a delicious hard cider that comes in cute little eight ounce cans that your friends will love and think are adorable. How much are these going for? $7.99? $14 a can. Four pack or six pack? Four pack. Wait, what? Yeah. $7.99 for a four pack? Yeah. Two bucks a pop. All right. You're getting it. Two bucks a pop, I think is fair. You're paying that for your little snack walls. No, it's not. This is 6.5% alcohol. It's a tiny little can. Yeah. You're the Roger of can beverages now. Just because you're going to have to drink two of them, Greg, I think this is the only way. Real B would give me a 20-year-old bourbon for 22 bucks. I don't know about this. sometimes that's all I want though. I understand. I don't need more than that. That's a fair point. And also, people don't appreciate the expensive nature of cider. It's a really high-end thing. Go back and listen to our Greg Holland review. I refuse to taste this one. Seek out. Seek out. What is this one, Roger? Seek out. Who makes this? This is a- Oh, Two Town Cider now makes hard seltzer. Yeah. Why don't you calm down and turn the hate back a little bit? Wow, this smells awesome. Wow, you are extremes right now. Fans of, if you want a Tiki cocktail, they are loaded with sugar. This is going to deliver like tiki-esque flavors in something that's only 100 calories. Pineapple passion fruit hard seltzer. Smells like my favorite thing in the world, gummy bears. It does smell like gummy bears. Yep. Pineapple gummy bears, baby. I knew you'd like this one, Shannon. Boy, pour a floater of smoky scotch on here and turn it into Hawaiian pizza. Yeah. Little ham and pineapple. I would want to try that. That's interesting. Why not? This is pretty good. Yeah, this is pretty damn good. It's uncouth. It's very few things do we have that taste like this. Yeah, two towns you could have done better than Seekout. And the package design. Don't forget the package design. Package design is not bad. It's not great. It reminds me of another product that we have, the Bravasi. Bravasi? Yeah. I would just assume it's Sangria by looking at it. Yeah, it's got the Sangria color screen. But boy, is this good though. This is tasty. Dang, Raj. It's so clean. Finally, Roger brings something worth drinking. About damn time. Pat's favorite thing on the table is a Passion Fruit Pineapple Heart Seltzer. Hey, see? Full of surprises. It doesn't have the artificialness that I've got from a lot of other Heart Seltzers. I'm drinking the rest of that one. He says as he dubs it, it does pick up. All right, up next is- This one I can tell I'm not going to like just by the amount of carbonation. Looks like it's going to tickle the roof of my mouth. Well, this is probably a little more on par with the traditional Heart Seltzers on the market right now. This is from the Kanarchy Group, so that's Oscar blues. Oscar blues. Wild Basin. Boozy Sparkling Water. We tried several of their seltzers on our Kan episode. Yeah, the real savory ones, right? Yeah, they had a couple that were more savory. I wasn't a fan. This one's not bad, though. This is horrible. This is terrible. It smells fake. It smells like the kid's aspirin. yes, it smells like a real artificial berry, but it tastes better than it smells. Yeah, you're flintstones. Right. It smells like kid's vitamins. I can't get behind this one. I've never had this flavor before, but I figured we tried most of the ones in the variety pack. Some of the ones in the variety pack I really like, but again, that's the problem with these variety packs. I like certain flavors, but not so much all of them. Just so that listeners know, this is the black raspberry flavor. Yeah. Avoid the black raspberry. Yeah. I mean, it's no seek out pineapple passion fruit. That's for damn sure. Hey, you know what would be good? My new favorite beverage. Mixing it like the slurpee machine. No. Well, and what's noticeably different about the two of them is that the seek out kind of has almost like this juice-like haze to it while the- Hazy hard water. That's the next thing. The other one, the wild basin is just clear, sparkly, Canadian. Yeah. The seek out tastes like actual fruit juice, and the wild basin tastes like very much just fruit juice in a powdered packet that you'd buy on Amazon. Yeah. Yeah. This seek out is a very lower carbonation. You could almost, I don't know if they recommend serving it over ice, but I could see doing that. But it's just crazy amount of flavor in the seek out for only 100 calories and the carbs are two grams. Nothing. Nothing. This is my favorite of the bunch, not to skew your perceptions here, but. Lot of respect for Odell. Yeah, I was gonna say O'Douls. Mad respect for Odell. Lot of respect for Odell. So this is Odell Good Behavior Crushable IPA. And it's got a... It says Crushable in the can? Yeah. Oh, this smells like Jim Sox. Jim, how do your socks smell? It has this like eggy. Oh, guys, eggy Jim Sox. Here we go. Thanks, guys. Or it's tropical. No, no, no. Seek out was tropical. No, I'm on Team Roger here. This tastes like actually tropical beer. It smells. 110 calories, 40% ABV. 40%, huh? 4.0% ABV. That's a really small decimal. Look at that. I probably should have had you try this before we had all the fruit bombs. Yeah. This is not bad. This is good. But I think it tastes significantly better than it smells. I think you follow the Oscar blues Oney or the Goose Island Solo or the Laguna's Daytime with this, and you're going to be shocked by the comparison. This is much heavier in body, and it has like fruit flavor, like round fruit flavor. yes. Yeah. So this, one of the only things that I don't like about Odell is that they're pretty cagey about giving you information. So this is 110 calories, 4 ABV. Carbs are question mark. So that's probably why the body is better. It's probably got more carbs and hops are a question mark. I like this one. I don't know if it's going to be like my first reach, but if I was looking for something that was a little lighter in body, but still has the fruit forward kind of IPA notes that I enjoy, I would buy it. Yeah. Amen. Well put. Before we wrap it, everybody stick around because somebody's going to- And it's hazy, bro. It's haze-ish. Bro. I mean, for those of you who have to have hazy beers, it's at least haze-ish. Yeah. I don't want to damn it with faint praise. It's great for what it is, but let's not pretend like this is in the category of what we would call a hazy IPA. No, and they don't say that. They say that it's a crushable. Crushable. It's crushable. It's a crushable. Roger, remember that there's an important low Cal beer, which is a perennial classic that we definitely have to tie on to this podcast. Totally. Episode, we're going to tie one more on. The one that Roger thinks you cannot miss out if you're looking for a full flavored delicious classic low alcohol beer is? Low calorie beer too. That's what I meant to say. Low calorie beer is? guinness. guinness, the one. How can this be? guinness. What do you mean? But Roger, that's the heaviest beer I've ever had in my life. My goodness. It's so dark. How could it be light? How could I drink more than one? Well, there are many different kinds of guinness, but the most popular one here in the US and the one you see in most bars is guinness Draft, which surprisingly has only been around since the 1950s. They decided to try to come up with a guinness that was creamier and hence began the whole nitrogenation of beer movement and developing this nice, thick, rich, creamy pour. So I'm holding here one of the guinness Draft bottles. It also comes in cans. The trick to this beer is that it is nitrogenated, so there's this really creamy kind of that cascade that you see in pubs. There's a widget in there that releases the nitrogen gas. Not in the bottles. Oh, they don't do the torpedo widget anymore? It's only in the cans. Really? That's the ball widget. So I brought a bottle because this actually, they're very transparent about this and they literally have the nutrition facts on the bottle. So if I were to bring a can, then we'd run into the whole Vandermilk thing again, or it would be like, well, we'd have to do the math and convert it to a conventional size. But this, on the other hand, is 12 ounces. So this is 126 calories, 9.6 grams of carbs. So there are a little more carbs, and then alcohol-wise, it's 4.2. Super low in calories comparatively, but really rich in flavor. They're using some very, you can think of malts, like roast levels on coffee. So there's different types of barley, but a lot of barley is similar barley, but it's how it's processed and imparts the flavor. So there's some very, very dark roasted malts in this that give it that token color and aroma to the beer. As I'm sipping this, I'm thinking we're actually literally tasting guinness. Like I know guinness. I know guinness very well. We all know guinness very well. Well, I haven't had guinness in about four years, and I was telling them the last time I had it, I think it was on an Irish car bomb. I had a guinness on Sunday night at a pub in Louisville, and it tasted just like this. Just like this. This is delicious. A lot of flavor here. Yeah. This is a full-flavored beer that's a classic that you've known forever, and it stands up to almost all of the low-calorie beers that are shockingly new and- Stands above all. It really stands out, doesn't it? And I feel like the common misconception is that this beer is so heavy and thick, and it's really not. Because everybody has their first guinness when they're like 17, and they've never had anything like it. People are misconstruing richness and depth of flavor with heaviness. And it does have- This beer is light enough that you could drink this all. Oh, yeah. It has the appearance of sweet and full body and rich, but it's really pretty light on its feet. Well, if you want to prove to someone that it's not a heavy beer, ask them if they've ever had a black and tan, and that's a quick reminder or half and half. No one really calls those that anymore because a half and half is pretty much solidified as a lemonade and iced tea drink. A half and half used to be literally harp on the bottom, guinness on top. Black and tan was either bass on the bottom or Smittex on the bottom, and guinness on top. Because black and tan refers to British soldiers, and that's why they would use the British beer, bass on the bottom. So if you were in Ireland back in the day, you'd order a half and half, not a black and tan. So normal people in bars these days. Call it a black and tan. Yeah. So anyway, think of this quote unquote heavy beer is literally so light that it's floating on top of a lager or an ale. Guys, I think we're going to give away a $20 Binny's gift card. Nice. Nice. I love giving away. Yeah, it's been a while. But before that, I don't know, what do you think? Of these 10 different low-cal beers that Roger brought, I'd probably get this good behavior. Yeah. I definitely, even though I'm not making fun of it, the Vander Mill, I think that's a delicious product. The Vander Mill was awesome. yes. That's a good cider. And I don't know if I'm going to get Seek Out, because those aren't usually flavors that I'm looking for. But you're a fan of a Sangria, and they usually clock in at a higher alcohol level, and they're always so damn sweet. This is like a clean, fresh version of those flavors. Fans of Sangria should definitely check this one out. Seek Out. The other thing about Seek Out- You should seek this one out. The other thing that's crazy about the Seek Out is that it doesn't taste like there's alcohol in it at all. Yeah. And then the rest are fine. There's nothing that's like devastatingly lousy here. Well, I should hope not. I don't want to give you guys anything lousy. Folks, that brings us to the Q&A portion of Barrel to Bottle, The Binny's Podcast. That's right, we haven't had one of these in a while. We got a genuine question from somebody, and we're gonna give them a $20 Binny's gift card. Because the rest of you guys apparently don't want a free $20, right? I mean, basically, we're giving away $20 to Binny. All you gotta do is ask us a booze-related question. Right. So Jake writes in via Twitter, Jake writes, In the recent Barrel to Bottle, New Riff mentions using 53-gallon barrels versus smaller barrels for quicker aging. What differences in flavors or anything else for bourbon and rye do the barrel sizes make dictate influence especially negatively? Tons. Small barrel ramp. Small barrels are not good. Small barrels are used to make a whiskey, quote unquote, taste more mature faster. So it picks up more wood flavor and it picks up more color. Because you're talking about more surface area for a volume. It increases the ratio of surface area of wood in direct contact with the liquid. So it gets darker in color, it gets more oak flavor. So you get more of that extractive and additive aging, but you get not as much as the oxidative aging. So in a 53 gallon barrel, it takes longer to pick up the flavor and color. And because it's in the barrel for a longer amount of time, there's more air moving in and out of the barrel itself. And that is those oxidative processes take a lot of the less desirable components out of a whiskey. So what we have to remember with barrels is that the char is there not to add color, that actually acts as a filter. And it's the wood itself that gives the color and the flavor. And so you're less time going, whiskey getting forced in and out of that filter, that layer of char, you just have more crap left over in your whiskey. That makes a lot of sense. Do you think that they landed on 53 gallons because that was the right balance? I mean, there are bigger barrels, there's even food riz and stuff. But with whiskeys, especially around the world, they're within that 53 to what's it... They're generally, so 53 gallon is American, which is what, 200 liters or something, or 225 liters. Scotch, they use primarily hogsheads, which are 250 liters, about 10% bigger. So I think it's more of a convenient size. It can be rolled around easily by a person. It's not overly heavy, although they still weigh multiple hundreds of pounds when they're full of liquid. And I think it just fits an easy storage racking system. I'm not sure how they got on the 53 gallon. I'd have to do a little more research on that. Something about World War II and the Rick houses and stuff, or not World War II. What was it? There was a proposed change to it. I can't remember. But the smaller barrels, obviously, it's an economic thing for a lot of these smaller producers is the longer they have to sit on something costs money. So a lot of upstarts will use tiny barrels because they age quickly, but I guess turn out inferior product. According to the Angels Envy website, the Angels Envy Bourbon website, up until World War II the standard size for barrels was 48 gallons because they were easier to manage and roll around through the Rick house and the racks were built to accommodate their size. But as the Second World War continued without an end in sight, resources became more precious and things like lumber were getting diverted to the war effort, and so they started making bigger barrels to essentially save some I knew there was a World War II connection. They would fit in the original racks without having to undertake this huge upgrade construction project on the Rick houses. It was as big as they could increase them without still being able to use the Rick houses. Cool. Products that are made in little barrels? Hudson? There's a bunch out there still and some of them are really good. I think Journeyman Whiskey is really good. It's always been in smaller barrels. I've had some absolutely horrible small barrel stuff out there, but there's some good stuff too. Few is phasing out of them. Few is almost out of 30 gallon barrels and into exclusively 53s. Same thing with Whiskey acres, Whiskey acres. The last Binny's Handpicks that came in in December, actually, the single-barrel Bourbons and ryes were their first ever 53-gallon barrels that were bottled as single-barrels. So that's kind of an interesting point. We have had really good bourbon and rye come in small barrels, too. Totally. It's not like a blanket. No, no. It's not an immediate death sentence. But the problem is the people who aren't just trying to rush the process can get really good whiskey out of small barrels. But that's usually a blend of different barrels of different ages and sometimes of different sizes. So you can still get good whiskey out of it, but it matters how you treat it on the blending side before bottling. All right, Jake, let us know if that answers your question. Everybody else, we'll give you a $20 Binny's gift card if you write us a question and we answer it on the podcast. Hit us up on social media at Binny's Bev on Twitter, Facebook and Instagram, or email us, comments at binnys.com. All right, well, thank you for listening to this week's episode of Barrel to Bottle, The Binny's Podcast, where we talked about all the wonderful locale options that are available. Please be sure to give us a follow on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, YouTube, all those great wonderful social sites. We do have a YouTube. You can check out a lot of commercials featuring coaches Madden and Kewt. It's videos of Roger playing Fortnite. That's not true, but that is a possibility where we can grow this thing. Wonderful. Yeah. If you like what you're hearing, leave us a review. Until next time, keep tasting. That's awesome. You say, I'm Shannon. Until next time, I'm Shannon. Keep tasting. You have a clean read where Pat's not stepping on. Yeah. Come on. 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